The .45 Auto Rim is now obsolete?
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Ruger has a factory version of the Redhawk that will accept both 45 ACP and 45 Colt on moonclips. Each cartridge requires their own unique moonclip but the revolver will accept either cartridge on a moonclip. Ruger only ships it with 45 ACP moonclips but 45 Colt moonclips will work in the gun.
TK Custom will convert a 454 Casull Super Redhawk to accept 45 ACP, 45 Colt, and 454 Casull on moonclips (45 Colt and 454 Casull use the same moonclip). Similar for any of the 45 Colt Redhawks sans 454 capability
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I love autorim and MCB are you talking about a conversion like this 
But this was not done by TK. This was done by a gunsmith way before Ruger released their version.
But this was not done by TK. This was done by a gunsmith way before Ruger released their version.
mcb
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Nice, I am sure there are other smiths out there cutting revolvers for moonclips. Sorry if I made it sound like TK Custom was the only one doing it.I love autorim and MCB are you talking about a conversion like this
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No you didn't MCB just posting up the masterpiece to reinforce your comment
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AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
45 Cowboy Special is not new! How many times do I have to say this?
It was developed about ten years ago by Adirondack Jack, a CAS shooter.
45CS being offered by Starline is what is new.
45 Cowboy Special is not new! How many times do I have to say this?
It was developed about ten years ago by Adirondack Jack, a CAS shooter.
45CS being offered by Starline is what is new.
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Yes, this. However, a big problem with 45 Auto Rim is that a large number of revolvers in .45 ACP cannot use it nowadays. You're pretty much limited to 1917s. The 45 AR will not fit into the Taurus 455 (despite it being a clip gun), and obviously not into the 45 Pitbull or Vaquero. But it does not fit into Ruger Redhawk either (the outsides of the cylinder are raised to seat 45 LC). Manufacturers keep finding clever ways to make their revolvers incompatible with 45 Auto Rim. {I should admit here that I'm not certain if S&W models 22, 625, 325PD, or Governor will work with 45 AR.}
mcb
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Just like the last thread, crazy talk about not liking moonclips.
The S&W 22, 25 and 625 should work with 45 AR assuming they were chambered in 45 ACP and not 45 Colt. The Governor will not work since they leave a raised rim around the cylinder to allow 45 Colt to head space with or without a moonclip.
45 ACP brass is so cheap/free and 45 ACP moonclips are so cheap (Ranch Products) and a good moonclip tool (bought or home made) makes loading and unloading them easy. 45 AR seems more hassle than its worth and only works in your 45 ACP revolvers where 45 ACP works in your 45ACP revolvers and semi-autos Not to mention its a lot harder to hit that 2 second reload using a speedloader and 45 AR.
Moonclips Rule! 
How is the leading with those short 45LC? I stopped firing 38 Specials in 357 Magnum chambers because of the lead ring build up in the cylinder. Shot a case (or two) of +P factory 38 Special in my M66
And found that 357 rounds were extremely difficult to eject. There was a lead ring that pinched the cases of fired 357 rounds. That lead ring that was difficult to remove. Took a lot more work than I wanted to repeat. After all the +P rounds were gone, I bought this M10, in 38 Special
and shot cases of 38 Special ammunition through it and never had an ejection problem.
And found that 357 rounds were extremely difficult to eject. There was a lead ring that pinched the cases of fired 357 rounds. That lead ring that was difficult to remove. Took a lot more work than I wanted to repeat. After all the +P rounds were gone, I bought this M10, in 38 Special
and shot cases of 38 Special ammunition through it and never had an ejection problem.
mcb
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That is probably more carbon than lead build up in the cylinder. Bullet never really touches the chamber walls until it hits the throat. Factory 38 Special frequently uses some pretty filthy propellants and the relatively low pressure does not help any. I shoot a lot of 38 Short Colt in a 357 Magnum and have never had that particular issue. You can see a mild carbon ring in the cylinder from the Short Colt brass but I can still drop in and eject 357 Magnum without issue even when the gun is filthy from 500 plus rounds of Short Colt. Clean propellants and good bullets can greatly reduce if not eliminate the short case chamber issues. I am using Titegroup loaded pretty hot so I get pretty clean burn, powdered coated bullets eliminates most of the lead aspect of that issue too.
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How so? Watch my mental acrobatic moves...I know you kinda like moon clips and all but that takes some serious mental acrobatics.
I currently have to feed two different 45 ACP handguns. My current 45 ACP load runs in both my 1911 and my 625. The same load in 45 AR brass would only run in my 625.
One setup on my reloading press produces ammo for both 45 ACP handguns. Switching the press to 45 AR would require getting a new shell plate, feed plate and escapement parts for the case feeder.
45 ACP brass is basically free. Stay late after tear down is done at the local USPSA or IDPA match and I can usually recover more brass than lost in the match (especially if I am shooting revolver). I current have a 5 gallon bucket nearly full of 45 ACP range brass I paid nothing for but some spare time for. I would have to pay for 45 AR.
Given what I use my 625 for, 45 AR is less than optimal for those application. It's not competitive in USPSA where moonclip rule. (assuming I used it in IDPA it would also not be competitive with 45 AR. I use a Model 10 in IDPA due to my 625 have a 5 inch barrel) When I carry my 625 as a tractor/woods gun I already have a convenient way to carry two extra moonclips so 45 AR again does not help me any.
Other people no doubt find a good use for 45 AR or companies like Starline would not still make it. But given my current uses for a 45 ACP revolver 45 AR would be more hassle than its worth.
Kaeto
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I use .45 AutoRim as well as .45 ACP on moon clips in this gun:
mcb
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I want a Webley Mark VI super bad. I would love to have one that was not shaved but even finding a shaved one in good condition is getting hard. The last one I found locally was in really bad shape, and they where asking $700 for it. I have one of the last 250 Mark IV made back in early 80's I need it's older bigger brother.
Kaeto
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Nope, that's a Webley Mk IV, one of the last 250 Webley revolvers made. Note the polished blue finish. If you look carefully on the barrel you can see "The 100th year of the Webley revolver 1882-1982". On the other side it says "The sun never sets on the Webley Mark IV". It came with a wooden presentation box and a certificate signed by David Steed, President of Webley and Val Forgett, President of Navy Arms who imported them into the US.
Kaeto
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Actually I was referring to my Mk VI
CraigC
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As we have already covered, yours is a situation where .45AR does not make sense. If I were in your shoes, I would do the same. However, you must realize that no everyone is shooting in competition and fewer still are doing so with a revolver. I wouldn't even know where to begin if I wanted to shoot in IDPA or USPSA matches. Some of us don't want the "trouble" of picking up range brass or the "trouble" of loading and unloading moon clips. The two gun clubs I belong to require all shooters to police their own brass. So brass is not "free" for me. That said, while I handload for over two dozen other cartridges, I handload for very few that throw their empties on the ground. Two to be exact and I use a brass catcher for one of them. Since I'm buying brass, I can buy .45AR or CS just as easily as .45ACP. I also have no issues with setting up my presses for AR or CS as opposed to ACP. I have a Dillon 650 setup for .45Colt and that is not going to change any time soon. Actually, I very much like the idea of a .45ACP single action if I have the option of using cheap ball ammo or handloads with either AR or CS. Because some of us prefer a rim, a roll crimp and no headspace issues.How so? Watch my mental acrobatic moves...
I currently have to feed two different 45 ACP handguns. My current 45 ACP load runs in both my 1911 and my 625. The same load in 45 AR brass would only run in my 625.
One setup on my reloading press produces ammo for both 45 ACP handguns. Switching the press to 45 AR would require getting a new shell plate, feed plate and escapement parts for the case feeder.
45 ACP brass is basically free. Stay late after tear down is done at the local USPSA or IDPA match and I can usually recover more brass than lost in the match (especially if I am shooting revolver). I current have a 5 gallon bucket nearly full of 45 ACP range brass I paid nothing for but some spare time for. I would have to pay for 45 AR.
Given what I use my 625 for, 45 AR is less than optimal for those application. It's not competitive in USPSA where moonclip rule. (assuming I used it in IDPA it would also not be competitive with 45 AR. I use a Model 10 in IDPA due to my 625 have a 5 inch barrel) When I carry my 625 as a tractor/woods gun I already have a convenient way to carry two extra moonclips so 45 AR again does not help me any.
Other people no doubt find a good use for 45 AR or companies like Starline would not still make it. But given my current uses for a 45 ACP revolver 45 AR would be more hassle than its worth.
rodinal220
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I see it as an option nowadays. I use 45AR in my shaved Webley MKVI. Loaded to Webley levels and not 45acp.
Driftwood Johnson
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Not to mention its a lot harder to hit that 2 second reload using a speedloader and 45 AR.
And as I said in the other post, I don't give a rat's behind about reloading in 2 seconds. I'm at the range for a relaxing session of knocking over tin cans at the 25 yard berm. I'm not there honing any combat skills, could not care less about reloading fast. I have NEVER stuffed a 45ACP into a clip, and don't intend to start now.
mcb
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Wow, I never realized the Enfield made a version of the Mark VI. I knew Enfield had made their version (No 2) of the Mark IV during the second World War but I did not realize they were making 455 revolvers also. Cool gun!
I have a fondness for top break revolvers. I have my Mark IV and on second model Iver and Johnson Safety Automatic in 38 S&W.
Supposedly Webley and Scott was going to make new Mark VIs. The project even had a website but nothing has ever come of it so far as I have seen. I singed up and have hear nothing since.
One of these days I will own a Mark VI...
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