straightShot
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Which manufacturers, besides Glock and Springfield, are planning on introducing guns chambered in .45 GAP in FY04? Does anyone know?
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.45 GAP Pistol Offerings
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cratz2
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I'm holding out for a PCR or a P-01 in 45 GAP. I'll buy the first one that comes in to Indy.
wally
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Unless someone gets the 45 GAP into a Kahr PM40 sized gun or smaller, I see zero use for another odd ball caliber.
Compare the Kahr MK40 .40 S&W to Kimber BP TEN II .45ACP
Para P10 Warthog is in between these two in size. Hard to see any need for 45GAP IMHO.
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Compare the Kahr MK40 .40 S&W to Kimber BP TEN II .45ACP
Para P10 Warthog is in between these two in size. Hard to see any need for 45GAP IMHO.
--wally.
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carpettbaggerr
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Hard to see a need in the US, perhaps. But I'm sure it'll be a big seller in many other countries.
SnakeEater
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I'd go for a SIG 229 in .45 GAP right now!
A number of manufacturers are interested in the .45 GAP cartridge, but they were waiting to see if major ammunition makers would add it to their lines. Now that this is the case, some interesting introduction may happen at the end of this year, or more likely, at the SHOT Show early next year.
Why the .45 GAP? Is it just another superfluous cartridge? Not from the gun designer's point of view. The shorter overall length requires less slide travel then the .45 ACP, and in a compact pistol this can be important.
Because of very short recoil spring tunnels and slide travel issues an ultra-short .45 ACP can have reliability problems, and a wider grip (front to back) is required vs, the ,45 GAP.
Why the .45 GAP? Is it just another superfluous cartridge? Not from the gun designer's point of view. The shorter overall length requires less slide travel then the .45 ACP, and in a compact pistol this can be important.
Because of very short recoil spring tunnels and slide travel issues an ultra-short .45 ACP can have reliability problems, and a wider grip (front to back) is required vs, the ,45 GAP.
wally
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All these "benefits" because the OAL is 0.1" less?
Of course its a boon to gun and ammo makers if people are silly enough to buy into the "need" for it.
See my photo earlier comparing MK40 to Kimber BP TEN II not much room between these two for 45 GAP. IF someone can get 45 GAP into an PM40 sized gun, or smaller, it'd be worthwhile. Anything larger and you can get 45ACP guns of that size and not have to buy buy into an odd ball caliber and face problems of ammo availablity or price.
--wally.
Of course its a boon to gun and ammo makers if people are silly enough to buy into the "need" for it.
See my photo earlier comparing MK40 to Kimber BP TEN II not much room between these two for 45 GAP. IF someone can get 45 GAP into an PM40 sized gun, or smaller, it'd be worthwhile. Anything larger and you can get 45ACP guns of that size and not have to buy buy into an odd ball caliber and face problems of ammo availablity or price.
--wally.
Wally:
Yes, it can make a difference, and no - the new guns that will be offered will not be chopped versions of the 1911 - at least not many of them. They may however more closely resemble the Kahr, but not be in .40 caliber.
Which in a nutshell is the whole issue.
Yes, it can make a difference, and no - the new guns that will be offered will not be chopped versions of the 1911 - at least not many of them. They may however more closely resemble the Kahr, but not be in .40 caliber.
Which in a nutshell is the whole issue.
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