.45 gap?

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If you had actually read the contents of the link, the handloads stay within SAAMI specs. So, the nice try is yours.......again. Up to 230gr a GAP round pushed to its SAAMI spec limits matches the ACP+P pushed to its limits and easily surpasses ACP.
I actually did read the document. Maybe you need to re-read it:
4: However, using the new versatile heavy field Hodgdon Longshot propellant can bring 45 GAP velocities up to “equal” factory +P rated 45 ACP velocities at all three standard bullet weights of 185, 200, & 230 grains, although the pressures of these loads may very well be over the 23,000 psi maximum (unofficial handloads).
That site also quote .45 ACP handload velocities using Alliant Power Pistol, but cherry picks the powders which provide best velocities in .45 GAP.
"My theory" already is a reality. You conveniently compare apples to oranges with XD vs. Glock models. What about Glock to Glock or BETTER YET compare your beloved XD in GAP and XD in ACP. It's already exists. The XD in GAP has a noticeably smaller grip circumference than the XD in ACP. How about that? The ACP cannot do what the GAP does in your beloved XD platform. EOS.
The XD 45 GAP only holds 9 rounds. The XD in 45 ACP, which has a barely larger grip, holds 13 rounds. And that's actually a very good illustration of the core issue. With 45 caliber rounds the width of the round is a far bigger hurdle to capacity within a given grip size than the length of the round is.
You really don't have a valid point at all. You have been reduced to resorting to apples-oranges comparisons and "you can't get the ammo in rural areas". That's all you have. That's not my definition of a compelling argument.
I've made my points, and they're plenty valid. You had to resort to apples to oranges comparisons with your archived, defunct link, to a site that shows handloads in excess of SAAMI spec.
 
The elephant in the room everyone misses is whether you can find ammo or not. The rule is ,whether we like it or not is, If I'm in podunk ,can I find ammo easily. Not really, .45 Gap has not been a marketing success anywhere I've shopped for ammo. ACP can be found anywhere !
 
I have found another use for the GAP: very fast reloads when using full moon clips in a 625. I like the small primer pockets, and the brass is very easy to sort from ACP. Believe it or not, that shorter case tends to wobble less in moon clips, and goes into the cylinder very easily.
 
I almost brought up the 45Super in this the other day....when I read that part of that article about some of the GAP handloads.

45 Super...230 grain bullets at 1,100 fps.

45 GAP...likely doesn't have the case capacity to use powders that will do that and stay within 28,000 psi.
 
Splithoof, I think that's Miculek uses the .45 ACP 625 JM over even a moonclipped 8 shot .38/.357 most of the time. Short bullets with round noses going into wide holes load more easily.
 
45 GAP...likely doesn't have the case capacity to use powders that will do that and stay within 28,000 psi.
true, but i was wondering how fast you could push a 230gr slug out of a GAP at that 28k psi pressure level.
 
Using the logic of many anti .45 GAP folks here, I should sell off my Browning Eclipse M-1000 in .300 Win Mag, as it is a weapon that can only be shot affordably by reloading and ammunition is not as store-friendly as .308 or 30-06. The .257 Roberts had better go as well? The Dan Wesson .44 with 5" fixed barrel is a bad choice too. Sheesh, I finally see the light. :evil:
 
Its an ansewr to a question almost no one asked. Its dying a slow death. Its just a marketing gimmick in my mind.
 
;)Warning: Longwinded, opinionated rant follows.

I had my 37 posted for sale on this and other forums, but after reading this thread I took it out and shot 50 rounds thru it today, and decided to keep the gun because it shoots so well and feels so good in the hand. Plus, nobody wants it;) Here are some interesting facts about my experience with the 45gap.

I can get ammo pretty easily up here in East B** F*** Vermont. One gun shop within six miles carries it, as do two others within 30 miles.

The ammo is about the same price as similar quality 45acp ammo. Yeah, I can get crap 45acp ammo for $14 per box, but Winchester and Federal offerings are within a buck or two of each other.

I regularly reload and shoot 255gr bullets thru both my 45gap and 45acp.
the 45gap shoots them at 750fps while the 45acp can push them to around 850 fps. 45acp would appear to have the advantage, but the rest of the story is that at velocities over 750fps the heavier bullets become less accurate in both cartridges. That's when both rounds are shot from factory Glock barrels of identical length, twist rate, rifling type, and shape, using the same bullets, and same powder. The two rounds basically behave and perform the same with all of the bullet weights I've reloaded them with, but the 45gap matches or beats the velocity of the 45acp with about 1gr less powder per round. Not a big deal, but definitely more efficient.

Side by side, with equivalent ammo, the 45gap feels milder in recoil. This is pretty subjective, but it's noticable to everyone who has shot my 37.

Decent, comparable factory 230gr ammo for each gun produces virtually identical accuracy, but the 45gap chronographs between 10 and 40 fps faster when I shoot the two rounds side by side, again same barrel length, rifling, twist rate, bullet weight, same chronograph.

The 37 outperformed both the Colt Commander and Government 1911's I tested it against. By outperformed I mean turned in better groups, fed all ammo types with no ftf or fte (both Colts had ftf issues with some hollow point types and wide flat-nose hardcast bullets) and held two more rounds than either 1911.

The 37 cost much less than either of the 1911's.

I agree that the 45acp cartridge is a great one, versatile and proven. Why does that rule out other 45cal. cartridges? Any time a gun maker or ammo company wants to come out with a new cartridge we should encourage them. Maybe they will hit a home run. There is always room for improvement. And why wouldn't a gun maker want a cartridge with their name on it. S&W, Colt, Ruger, Savage, Remington, Browning, ...etc, all have rounds with their name on them. Why is Glock at fault, or arrogant for wanting one too. I know the whole Glock perfection thing is pretty offensive, but it doesn't negate the performance of their firearms.

I'm not trying to say that 45gap is better than, or an improvement on the 45acp. It does have some strong points, though, and is a very capable and versatile round if you look at it rationally. Why get into a pissing match defending the well-earned reputation of the 45acp cartridge and 1911 handgun. With all the animosity (much of it from people who have never even shot the round) you'd think we should rename the 45gap cartridge the 45atc for "45antichrist".

I fail to understand why there seems to be so much eagerness to see the 45gap disappear. If the shooting public was more openminded we might have a bunch of new handguns being thoughtfully designed to take advantage of the 45gap's strengths. I was closedminded to Glocks for twenty five years. When I finally tried one I found I not only liked it, but that I shot it well, and it was exactly what I had been looking for in a carry handgun. My own ignorant attitude prevented me from enjoying the guns for a quarter century:banghead:. It pays to be more openminded and try new things. You might be pleasantly surprised.
 
Not sure i follow about being closed minded. The Gap just offers me nothing over what i already have and will be around for my lifetime and then some. Why would i want a GAP?
 
Because you want a .45 caliber Glock and the 21 is too big for your hands? That's my situation; saying 'it's an answer to a question nobody asked' is just egocentric. It's an answer to a problem YOU haven't asked, perhaps, but plenty of people have trouble with a Glock large frame. Some of those folks want to shoot a .45, and now they can.


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