45 Super is taking off again in interest by handgun shooter,s

[JTQ]

Yes , I mentioned the hard cast in my thought as only to carry as a woodsman load for protection for Bear,s. .

Regardless of what you plan to use this round on, my point was those wide meplat hardcast loads didn't feed reliably. The round may be very effective, but if they don't feed reliably, you may be carrying a single shot G21. I'm just cautioning you to shoot enough of this round in your G21 to ensure reliability with your pistol.

 

[DukeConnor]

Don't have my data in front of me but I am loading 185 grain coated LSWC.
Using W231 (which is my go to) and HS-6. So far I have just ventured up to 1.5 grains over the hodgdon 45 acp data. Keep in mind the 4506-1 is a beefy thing. same frame as the 10mm version.

This was a brief experiment. One mag each. when I get the 45 super brass I may get a little more adventurous.

My usual load is 5.5 grains of W231. I haven't noticed very much increase in recoil. The brass seems to go a little further and brass looks good when i examine it. I did discard it when I was finished it.

I have noticed no signs of leading from the coated bullet. When I venture into the super I will probably run FMJ.



THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO LOAD OVER THE APPROVED LOAD DATA. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN WITH THIS.

 

[DukeConnor]

It's called a case head, and the design of the LWD barrel you're referring to is known as better case head support.



Why? The guide rod is stationary; making it heavier doesn't increase slide assembly inertia, just makes the gun heavier. If you want to add weight to soak up recoil, lead slugs in the grip are more practical and economical.



You need to become more educated on the subject yourself before you offer to answer other's questions. Do you know what the difference is between .45 ACP brass and .45 Super brass without Googling?



The 4506, especially the even beefier 4506-1, really doesn't need any alterations to run .45 Super. If it's gonna be a steady diet, a stouter spring is a good idea, though.

It is the 4506-1.

 

[sparrow75]

Guns set up for 45 Super can also shoot the 450 SMC.

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=303_354

 

[sparrow75]

MachIVshooter, The reason I went to a tungston guide rod was nothing to do with weight. The guide rod in the gun when I received it was made out of (plastic). I added the comment, if anyone had question,s on this subject, let me know. I would go out of my way to find the answer for them if I did not know.
As a member , I was trying to be polite as possible to other member,s Is there something with you where you have to have everything perfect. Why are you beating on my head about this on going discussion.This is the problem with forum,s,there is always a member somewhere that tries to upset on member,s feeling,s.

 

[CDW4ME]

NY 10 round mag limit, sparrow75 is going to get all he can out of those 10 rounds.
With a good (appropriate) HP, might consider caliber for SD against two legged - people are getting bigger in the US.

 

[sparrow75]

Regardless of what you plan to use this round on, my point was those wide meplat hardcast loads didn't feed reliably. The round may be very effective, but if they don't feed reliably, you may be carrying a single shot G21. I'm just cautioning you to shoot enough of this round in your G21 to ensure reliability with your pistol.

your absolutely correct. i,m in the early stages of this whole thing on the conversion. when i get to where a good load that work,s efficiently i should be ok. i plan on only shooting the 45 super round now and then. i do not want to beat the gun up.i,m typeing to you while on the phone. therefor no cap,s.

 

[sparrow75]

NY 10 round mag limit, sparrow75 is going to get all he can out of those 10 rounds.
With a good (appropriate) HP, might consider caliber for SD against two legged - people are getting bigger in the US.
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[sparrow75]

How was the M1911 able to keep so many WW2 soldiers alive if it had such terribly low capacity?



Tom Martin
Answered 13d ago · Author has 7k answers and 18.7m answer views



How was the M1911 able to keep so many WW2 soldiers alive if it had such terribly low capacity?

When you read a lot of past award decorations, and combat reports as an Officer in the US Army, you might spot interesting things.

Once, in a wooded area, they found a US Army Officer with seven dead Germans around him, each one killed by a single shot from a single .45 wound. He was dead, with his empty .45 near his hand, slide locked back.

The .45 ACP, even in ball is an incredible round.

Perhaps he could have told the story if he’d a few more ready to fire. It wasn’t uncommon to find American GI’s died with empty pistols, revolvers and automatics, by both Germans and Americans. Russians also captured a lot of empty Walthers.

 

[fxvr5]

How was the M1911 able to keep so many WW2 soldiers alive if it had such terribly low capacity?


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Tom Martin
Answered 13d ago · Author has 7k answers and 18.7m answer views



How was the M1911 able to keep so many WW2 soldiers alive if it had such terribly low capacity?

When you read a lot of past award decorations, and combat reports as an Officer in the US Army, you might spot interesting things.

Once, in a wooded area, they found a US Army Officer with seven dead Germans around him, each one killed by a single shot from a single .45 wound. He was dead, with his empty .45 near his hand, slide locked back.

The .45 ACP, even in ball is an incredible round.

Perhaps he could have told the story if he’d a few more ready to fire. It wasn’t uncommon to find American GI’s died with empty pistols, revolvers and automatics, by both Germans and Americans. Russians also captured a lot of empty Walthers.

Anecdotes like this and general statements aren't worth much.

Actual data is better.

Placement is everything, and there is nothing special about the 45 Auto. https://www.policeone.com/patrol-is...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

 

[paulsj]

45 Super round. I just traded in my S@W Shield 45acp for a Glock 21sf 45acp. I have converted it over to shoot the 45 Super round. Purchased a barrel from Lonewolf distributor,s because the barrel is set up tool encapsulates the primer end stronger. Replaced the spring and rod to a 24lb spring and tungston guide rod. Changed magazine spring,s to have a 10% stronger up push.

Underwood is now back into the 45 Super ammo. and also plan,s to invest to build regular 45 Super handgun,s.
Now I can shoot the 45acp, 45acp +p , 45acp +p+, and the 45 Super round.

Example: 185 grain hp round leaves the muzzle of a 5" barrel at 1300 fps.

Drop me a message if you would have any question,s on this subject.

It would have been simpler to go 1Ox25. Ammo availability is better and rounds are cheaper since when I used that caliber. Nothing wrong with that .45 I still remember adds for them LAR Griz .45s with extended/ported barrels.

 

[sparrow75]

45 Super stopped a Grizzly Bear attack: https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/11/wy-45-super-stops-grizzly-bear-charge.html

Tev Kelley, was accompanying a friend, hunting elk, in Wyoming on October 6th, 2017. His friend, Scott Smith, shot a nice bull from 327 yards, in a strong wind. Preparing to dress out the bull, they put their rifles a short distance uphill, to keep them from getting bloody. Then they started field dressing the animal. Fortunately, Scott heard a twig snap. He looked up, and saw the bear closing rapidly. He yelled "Bear, bear, bear!"

The hunters jumped up and separated. The bear momentarily halted. Kelley fired a warning shot from his .45 Super. The bear moved away a little, behind some fire killed trees and brush, then came in again, fast. Kelly fired again, and the bear went down, rolled down slope and came to a halt, motionless. From codyenterprise.com:
Under the extreme pressure of a charge with about two seconds to react, Kelley thought only of survival when he yanked out the .45 handgun he wore on his hip and pulled the trigger.

He did not even know where the shot hit the grizzly, in the head, face or neck, but it bled as it fell to the ground, rolled downhill and lay still.

About 10 seconds later, the bear climbed to its feet, staggered in a semi-circle as if a drunk after last call and fled the scene as the men exhaled.

This eye blink of an incident occurred midday on Oct. 6 in rugged hunting territory in the hills while Kelley and Scott Smith were field dressing the elk Smith shot.Tev Kelley used a 1911 .45 Super carried in a Ringler Custom Leather company holster. The .45 Super produces ballistics very close to the 10 mm magnum cartridge. A Buffalo Bore 10 mm offering is a 180 grain bullet at 1350 F.P.S. (feet per second). You can see the .45 super is close, 5 grains heavier, and 50 fps slower for the 185 grain load.

 

[sparrow75]

Follow up on Bear attack:

Tev Kelley did not want to shoot the bear. He has been charged by grizzly bears several times before, and never had to shoot. This time was different. He asserts that bear spray would have been futile, as the wind was very strong and highly variable. From Tev Kelley facebook post :
I debated long and hard if I should post the whole story of what happened October 6th on my buddy Scotts elk hunt. In the end I've decided I've done nothing wrong, have nothing to hide and can hopefully remind people of just how real the Grizzly danger is around here. While cutting up Scott's bull we had a grizzly charge in and I shot it at 20 yards! The bear retreated away wounded with a head or neck shot. We packed up as much meat as possible, ran the remaining front quarters and head up a tree and hurried out. We called game and fish as soon as we had service and planned to go get the rest of the meat and investigate the next morning. Upon arriving at the site there was another grizzly (different color) on the kill and 5 of us heavily armed, yelling, screaming and firing warning shots barely kept him back far enough to grab the meat and head and get out. As we backed out he came charging right back in. These bears under federal managment have learned that humans aren't a danger and in fact are a source of easy food. I really hope now that they are delisted and under state mangement something will be done. The grizzlys are a serious problem and I don't see an easy answer out of it. Please be very bear aware in the hills, don't go alone, carry a gun, and be as safe as possible! (pepper spray never would have worked in either case due to the high wind whipping in all directions!)Below is a picture of the second bear the group of five, Tev Kelly, his father Ned, Scott Smith, Travis Crane (game warden) and Luke Ellsbury (biologist) had to hold at bay the next day, October 7th, 2017. Ellsbury was the one to fire warning shots this time. Fortunately, the second bear was deterred.

 

[fxvr5]

45 Super stopped a Grizzly Bear attack: https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/11/wy-45-super-stops-grizzly-bear-charge.html

Okay, we get that you are in love with the 45 Super.

But Grizzly bears have been killed with a 9mm: https://www.americanhunter.org/arti...ishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

And even the lowly 22: https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/wh...a-world-record-grizzly-in-1953/#axzz5dIABMd9l

So please stop the snowstorm of pointless praise. We already know what the 45 Super can do. It's a 45 Auto with more power. We get that.

 

[fxvr5]

And by the way, the 450 SMC has a higher pressure limit and higher speeds than the 45 Super. Makes the 45 Super seems less impressive, eh?

 

[sparrow75]

And by the way, the 450 SMC has a higher pressure limit and higher speeds than the 45 Super. Makes the 45 Super seems less impressive, eh?

Okay, we get that you are in love with the 45 Super.

But Grizzly bears have been killed with a 9mm: https://www.americanhunter.org/arti...ishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/

And even the lowly 22: https://www.ammoland.com/2014/11/wh...a-world-record-grizzly-in-1953/#axzz5dIABMd9l

So please stop the snowstorm of pointless praise. We already know what the 45 Super can do. It's a 45 Auto with more power. We get that.

When I started to talk about the idea of conversion to 45 Super, some member,s took interest in the topic. Now I see member,s coming out of the woodwork,s to stomp on a member presenting the topic of discussion because he thought it was a good idea. And guess what, you can also shoot the 450 SMC in a 45 Super conversion.

Being that some member,s are sick of this topic I started, I will now discontinue my talking about it. Hodioss Amego,s.

 

[TN Outlaw]

Thread has 45 Super in the title, OP talks about 45 Super, a couple posters seem agitated that the OP is a fan of the 45 Super and confront him for some dumb reason.

I'm not sure I get it? Did a 45 Super pick on you when you were little? Steal your lunch money in school? You don't have to like it but you can allow someone else to without being an azz to them. Pityful

 

[sparrow75]

I ,m not sure I get it either. Why would these posted writing,s drop in to this discussion to cause any member posting a subject he feel,s would be of interest to some of the member,s. Are we not according to the Forum Rules to not cause discussion,s toward any member that causes feeling,s of hurt , anger, bad language or say thing,s to corrupt harmony in any posted topic of discussion to a point where the member feel,s that this whole Forum is a Forum nobody would want to become a member of it? If you do not like me in anyway, or you get off on pissing people off. I,m not sure I get it either.

 

[JTQ]

I ,m not sure I get it either. Why would these posted writing,s drop in to this discussion to cause any member posting a subject he feel,s would be of interest to some of the member,s. Are we not according to the Forum Rules to not cause discussion,s toward any member that causes feeling,s of hurt , anger, bad language or say thing,s to corrupt harmony in any posted topic of discussion to a point where the member feel,s that this whole Forum is a Forum nobody would want to become a member of it? If you do not like me in anyway, or you get off on pissing people off. I,m not sure I get it either.

I'm not sure what folks are getting upset about?

For instance, a post like MachIVShooter's at post #22, seemed to ruffle some feathers, yet all he was doing was using correct terminology and correcting some perceived misconceptions. While I don't know him, he appears to have experience with the round and is giving valuable information to somebody that is new to the round. That's what I'd hope the forum would provide.

 

[ATLDave]

NY 10 round mag limit, sparrow75 is going to get all he can out of those 10 rounds.
With a good (appropriate) HP, might consider caliber for SD against two legged - people are getting bigger in the US.

It's not just people.

 

[CDW4ME]

It's not just people.

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[CDW4ME]

there is nothing special about the 45 Auto.

 

[sparrow75]

I'm not sure what folks are getting upset about?

For instance, a post like MachIVShooter's at post #22, seemed to ruffle some feathers, yet all he was doing was using correct terminology and correcting some perceived misconceptions. While I don't know him, he appears to have experience with the round and is giving valuable information to somebody that is new to the round. That's what I'd hope the forum would provide.

I agree and apologize for tipping in the wrong direction with my feelings after reading his approach. I just felt I was back in school being corrected by a school teacher.

 

[sparrow75]

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Boy, that dude gonna have a stroke.

 

[Drail]

"Oh Lawd he comin' " - THAT be the funniest thing I've heard all week...... Thank you so much for a GOOD laugh at 0500. My wife got up and asked "WHAT is so damn funny?"