45acp ideas as to what brand &model

[Marshall]

Lobotomy Boy,

Maybe you can find me a gun manufacturer who's warranty policy covers misuse, abuse and faulty products used in their guns causing them to fail?

When you don't find any, explain to me why that is.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Marshall, please reread my post. I said they should replace all parts at cost plus shipping, which would be a wash for them. As for finding a manufacturer that will do that, even when the shooter violated the warranty, that is easy: Glock. Please read the following, posted today at "Glock Talk" by Cicero:

"I've had a g26 kB. I was in a match, shooting either my reloads or a factory reload. I ran dry, slapped in a new mag, racked the slide, went back on target, shot once, and then felt the trigger was very hard to pull. Additionally, I remember the slide return felt wierd too. Next thing I know, I'm staring down at my hand, wondering why I can't open it since it hurts awful bad. Additionally, my gun won't fire and I'm pissed because I was doing one of the best stages of my life.

My personal theory is that the gun fired out of battery because of a non-conforming case. I distinctly remember the slide return feeling funny and the trigger pull being much harder - like 15-20 pounds - than normal. Blew the entire mag south, all internals wasted. The barrel was fine. No harm to my hand, though, other than I was unable to close it for a few minutes. If it was my reload, I doubt a double-charge because the powder I was using was too bulky to fit a bullet on top of the charge. I also doubt it was my reload since I run every round through a case sizing measure. On the other hand, the primer was flattened when we recovered it, which would suggest an overcharged case. On the third hand, if the case were damaged sufficiently to prevent the bullet from headspacing properly, it could have caused sufficient overpressure to smash the primer.

Bottom line is that convinced me to go 100% glock. Any of my other guns, except for my HK USP C, would have left messy pieces to pick out of my palm or bulged the barrel. Glock was cool about repairing the entire setup for $250, even though I couldn't guarantee that it hadn't been my reload that did it."


Well Marshall, I guess this means you are wrong and I am right. This makes me glad I decided to purchase a Glock instead of a Kimber.

 

[gbourne]

Stay away from Kimber. Last night at the range a Kimber Whatever Elite carry fell apart. The gun was brand new. The owner said this was the second time. The rod that retains the springs fell out. The first time it just broke it. The guy was sick.

 

[Majic]

My personal theory is that the gun fired out of battery because of a non-conforming case. I distinctly remember the slide return feeling funny and the trigger pull being much harder - like 15-20 pounds - than normal.

This shooter doesn't quite understand the function of a pistol. No matter the condition of the ammo, NO pistol should fire out of battery. That's the purpose of the disconnector. Sounds like the extra 15 to 20 pounds of pressure applied pulling the trigger caused the disconnector to fail and the pistol fired.
Fault lies within the firearm. A safety device failed. Glock happily paid as they could very well have been sued. If you ask this shooter I'll bet one of the parts he received from Glock was a new disconnector.
That is not going above and beyond. That's Glock trying it's best to keep their A$$ out of court with a non functioning safety item on their pistol.

Glock was cool about repairing the entire setup for $250

This repair shouldn't have cost the owner a dime and Glock got off easy on this one.

Another one of the Glock stories that just make me wonder about them even more.

 

[Marshall]

Well Marshall, I guess this means you are wrong and I am right.

Lobotomy Boy,

My God son, what tomato truck did you just fall off? We're not debating exceptions to the rule, we're debating the rule. Every company I know of has fixed something their warranty policy doesn't cover! But, to make a practice of it for every single customer and every single happening would be absurd!

If you think quoting a single happening makes you right, go right ahead and think so. After the responses I have read from you on this subject combined with your adolescence quoted above, I have no doubt you will ever understand!

 

[Mntneer35745]

With all due respect to everyone and no offense intended, has anyone yet given this lad any suggestions as to what gun to purchase?

Here is my $.02...take it for what you paid for it. Anything mechanical or man-made can/will eventaually break. Polymer, steel, aluminum or whatever. I hate having to "go back and fix something I should have taken care of the first time around." Thus, a weapon's durability and the manufacturer's "customer service" are of paramount importance to me. With all that said, I will whole-heartedly recommend the G30. I have never had to deal with Glock's customer service, but I understand they tend to take care of customers pretty well.

I am NOT a firearms expert by any stretch of the imagination. BUT, when I was looking for a new "all-around handgun", after 18 months of research and looking, I went after a G30.

Since the Original Poster of this thread also has a G21 already (I hope I am getting this correct), he could use the G21 mags in the G30. They will both have the same "mannual of arms". Seems like a logical choice to me.

Best of luck in whatever you choose!

Cheers
Mntneer35745

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Marshall, from what I've been reading, catastrophic failures with Kimbers seem to be the rule rather than the exceptions to the rule.

But you are correct about one thing. I really don't understand what you are saying, though I doubt my level of maturity nor any mishaps I may have suffered when dismounting the tomato truck have anything to do with it. Rather, I suspect that faulty logic in your retort may be at the heart of my misunderstanding. Please explain further and prove me wrong.

 

[BJPARKER]

I just don't/won't pay a grand for a handgun no matter what especially when there are so many quality ones out there for half the price- yes I'm quite partial to Berettas and CZs, look at the the CZ97. I also have a great old S&W 645 that I love. And why not look at the Springfield stainless?

 

[Marshall]

Lobotomy Boy,

No thanks, I'll pass on anything more. Expecting you to understand and accept this simple fact of business has proved to be nothing more than a lesson in mental masturbation.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

I make my living in the motorcycle industry, Marshall, and your "logic" reminds me of the Harley-Davidson t-shirt that reads: "If I have to explain you wouldn't understand anyway." Without exception I've found that to be code for: "I lack the intellectual tools and verbal skills to explain my fascination with overpriced, antiquated technology and my pathetic need for acceptance that draws me into the cult-like community of the Harley-Davidson faithful."

Glock's business model is to replace parts at cost plus shipping when guns KB, even if the owner violated the owner's manual and used reloads. Kimber's business model is to tell owners to go spoon gooses and spend its resources on pretty ads in "Guns and Ammo." Care to place a bet about which policy will be more successful in the long run, Marshall?

 

[Calhoun]

I have to second the CZ 97B. Top notch quality. Customer Service has always been good to me. Try one out.

Calhoun

 

[kidcoltoutlaw]

they will not replace

it but most of the time they will give you a price break on a new one,thanks,keith