.45acp Vs .223/5.56

[ccsniper]

I dont know why this is a debate. we all know that the .45 coulda killed Goliath from 700 yards being flung from a slingshot while the shooter was upside down backwards blindfolded and naked. He just need to hit Goliath in the finger to kill him.

 

[C-grunt]

Zombie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ljnowell]

I have never seen a pistol round penetrate a chest and shatter a scapula leaving an exit wound almost the size of a baseball. I have seen an M4 do that.

An exit wound the size of a baseball from a .22 caliber bullet? Not unless it pushed his sternum out with it.

 

[cubesmoothie]

i've never seen a .223 hit a human being but i have seen it hit a coyote and one type of handloaded round left an exit hole big enough for me to stick my head in.

 

[rcmodel]

An exit wound the size of a baseball from a .22 caliber bullet?

You need to get out hunting with a .223 more.

rc

 

[cubesmoothie]

Did some digging up on google. I dont know how reliable the sources are but here's what i found!

223 rem 50 gr jsp

556x45 m855 fmj from m16a2

556x45 m193 fmj from m16a1

now the .45 acp

.45 acp 185 grain hollowpoint from 4 inch barrel

.45 acp 230 gran FMJ

But i was thinking about how .223 measures up as a rifle round because many people tell me that a .22 lr from a full sized rifle, can do about as much damage as a 9mm from a pistol. so....


Here is what they demonstrated the 7.62 round like

It handily beats both the .45 acp and the .223/556.


Here is a 9mm 124 grain ball round

The sight i found these pics at is
http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

 

[cubesmoothie]

Looks like the .223 and 556 have a bit of an edge over the .45 acp but its not a whole lot worse.

Actually comparing its ballistics to a .45 acp gives me a whole new respect for the .223/556!

 

[rcmodel]

Yes it is a whole lot worse.

There is no comparison in killing power despite what the jello says.

A high-velocity rifle round kills all out of proportion to a combat caliber auto-pistol of any caliber.

Again, go hunting with each if you don't believe it!

rc

 

[cubesmoothie]

oh i believe you i've seen a coyote with a .223 shot and the exit hole was gigantic. I could have stuck my fist in it and played operation without touching anything. It was a handload that an oldtimer made

 

[RP88]

I'll let someone shoot me in the chest with a .45 if I get to shoot them with my AR first.

and the AK bullet is very debatable. Look at far it has to go before it does that much damage. The .223 does it's damage not even a few inches after impact.

 

[C-grunt]

An exit wound the size of a baseball from a .22 caliber bullet? Not unless it pushed his sternum out with it.

But when it hits and shatters bone, that can make wounds a lot larger than the bullet would make by itself.

 

[george29]

None of the 30,000 Iraqi casualties between March and April of 2003 were NOT due to the 5.56 NATO round, at least according to those that say that the .223/5.56 is JUST a varmint round. Yet 5.56 is what NATO troops carry (aside from specops and certain MOS). Let's see, the Israeli's since the 1973 war use 5.56 exclussively except for mounted MG's and sniper rifles, tell them how useless the 5.56 round is. L.A Swat took out one of the Hollywood robbers with an M4 5.56. Man, some of the stuff posted here is worthless. There's nothing new in enemy combatants taking pain meds before combat, the Hollywood Bank Heist guys did the same thing. A 5.56 rifle round has 3 times the energy of a .44 magnum. Since home invasioins are usually commited with no less than 3 perps, my home SD gun is an M4gery (with a SBH to back it up). To call the .223 / 5.56 round good only for varmints is lacking reality.

 

[M&PVolk]

Armchair commando stuff is fun, but let's be honest here...People have been shot and killed with small calibers and survived shots from big calibers. I know a Vietnam vet who dispatched no less than 20 men with the lowly .380. Done in combat under high adrenaline situations. Yet, we have stories of men taking 17 hits COM with a .40 and surviving. The lowly .22lr has dispatched more men than I care to think about.

I love .40 and bigger in handguns, but I am not afraid to carry .380 and .38 special. I have shot AK's and AR's, but to me, it's no comparison, I will take the AR every day of the week. Anyone who doesn't believe that one or the other of these is enough should volunteer to stand in front of one. Optimal cartridges are fun discussions, but I am starting to wonder how anyone managed to get killed by any bullet prior to the 1911 and AK....

 

[Slamfire]

A handgun is something you use when you don't have a rifle.

And that includes the .223 round.

 

[John Parker]

None of the 30,000 Iraqi casualties between March and April of 2003 were NOT due to the 5.56 NATO round, at least according to those that say that the .223/5.56 is JUST a varmint round.

I'm not arguing that the 5.56 does the job, but there were plenty of other munitions that caused those 30k casualties. Like 500lb bombs...

 

[Arbor]

5.56 is far more destructive than .45ACP. This doesn't prove the validity of either cartridge, only that Rifles still are > handguns. Nothing new folks.

 

[moooose102]

IMO, either will kill a person with no problem! i used to think of the 223 as a pi$$ poor excuse for a rifle round, except for targets and varmints. now that i own one, and see for myself what it will do, i am quite impressed with it. if i were to be in a firefight, which would i choose? that would depend mostly on the enviroment. in my house, where distances are very short, and i may have to go around a corner or two, i would take my 45. for me, it is just quicker to get into action. if i was in an outside enviroment, where the distances were measured in yards instead of feet, the 223 would be my choice. i am still not impressed with fmj bullets, in anything. i understand the reasons the military uses them, but i like bullets that expand, unless i am trying to shoot through steel.