.460 Rowland and .960 Rowland.

[Authentic 460 Rowland]

Hello High Road Community,

The .460 Rowland, known for transforming the .45 ACP platform into a .44 Magnum-level powerhouse, offers a unique blend of versatility and power. It allows converted firearms to shoot not only the high-powered .460 rounds but also standard .45 ACP, .45 ACP +P, and .45 Super ammo.

On the other hand, the .960 Rowland, a relatively newer entrant, steps up the 9mm to new heights, offering superior ballistics while retaining the familiar form factor and higher magazine capacity of the 9mm platforms.

Both cartridges deliver enhanced performance for various applications, from self-defense to hunting. Yet, I'm curious about your real-world experiences. How have these rounds fared in practical use? Have you noticed a significant difference in recoil, accuracy, or overall performance compared to their parent cartridges?

Your insights, stories, and experiences with either the .460 Rowland or .960 Rowland (or both!) would be greatly appreciated. It's not just about the technical specs; it's about how these rounds perform when it truly matters."

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

The 38 super is a load i like very much. I can shoot it well.

 

[mavracer]

I don't see what it does that 38 super(comp) or 9X25 Winchester don't.

 

[OS/N]

The 45 win mag was a nice round but has all but evaporated.

38 super is still around and as good as it ever was.

With ammo prices the way they are today, off/new calibers don't make alot of sense for anyone who likes to shoot their firearms. Even reloading for them is high - staying away from large primers is not a bad thing either.

 

[Meeks36]

Sounds interesting enough. But with ammo prices like that I’ll pass.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

357 mag can be loaded to those velocities.

 

[.38 Special]

Never heard of it. A .960 would be an interesting cartridge, if the ATF could be gotten around. As it stands, it's a silly name for a .355 round.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Inferior to the .357Sig by 100-200 fps., so what's the point?

 

[StrawHat]

Inferior to the .357Sig by 100-200 fps., so what's the point?

It was designed to transfer the money in your pockets into their coffers.

Kevin

 

[Howland937]

Considering my 124gr 38 Super loads aren't far behind that in terms of velocity, I think I'm good. Now if you can get the 147gr into the 1300-1350 fps range I'm listening.

 

[Riomouse911]

The .960 Rowland has been around since 2014?

First I have heard of it.

Like the .460 it sounds cool, but I don’t think adding another handgun caliber to have to hand load for is in the cards for me.

Stay safe.

 

[Jim Watson]

Weird. 9x23 brass at 9x19 OAL and very hot loads.

 

[LoonWulf]

Ive come awfully close to 460 spec on an XDtac SUPER build.
What stopped me was shoot ability, when pushing a 240gr XTP mag out the tube at 1250fps even the big XD would try to wiggle around enough that it wasnt pleasant or easy to shoot.
With more practice or a heavier gun im sure it would be more comfortable, but personally ill stick to big revolvers if I want to toss that kinda bullets at velocities over 1100-1200fps.

 

[fxvr5]

Weird. 9x23 brass at 9x19 OAL and very hot loads.

Kinda like the 356 TSW.

The .356 TSW

A victim of poor timing and marketing, the promising .356 TSW (Tactical Smith & Wesson) cartridge may be on the verge of a comeback.

gunsmagazine.com

 

[WisBorn]

I like development of new cartridges. It normally has a trickle down effect that helps older cartridges.

I like my 45acp and my XDM handles +p loads very well. The same thing with my Glock 19 9mm along with XDM & G20 10mm.

I think I'll stick with them.

 

[SDGlock23]

I guess it depends on what you want, the 357 SIG will easily outshine a 960 Rowland, I've pushed 125's past 1700 fps in a 6" barrel. The 460 Rowland is a good option, but you can get the same ballistics from .45 Super if you handload and have a compensated gun with good case support. It's a lot of power from a semi-auto, but it's borderline too much. Forty-five Super recoil, when pushing 300gr hardcasts to over 1150 fps, is pretty well beyond what most duty grade semi auto handguns are designed for. Cool sure, but too much. Now something like a 250gr Gold Dot @ 1100 fps is pretty good, but even then, recoil isn't exactly pleasing.

For me, I've pushed my semi autos to see what they can do, be it .45 Super loaded HOT, 10mm, .40 S&W, 357 SIG, all loaded HOT. That's fun in its own way, but I wouldn't shoot any of them with absolute max loads all the time. It's good to know what they're capable of, but even then, if I want more power than what I can get out of .40/10mm loaded moderately hot, rather than loading them to the ragged edge, I'll just grab the 44 Mag.

 

[lee n. field]

Hello High Road Community,

The .460 Rowland, known for transforming the .45 ACP platform into a .44 Magnum-level powerhouse, offers a unique blend of versatility and power. It allows converted firearms to shoot not only the high-powered .460 rounds but also standard .45 ACP, .45 ACP +P, and .45 Super ammo.

.460 Rowland. Have not heard that name in a while. I remember a lot more Internet "buzz" about it, maybe 2010 or so.

 

[someguy2800]

I don't see what it does that 38 super(comp) or 9X25 Winchester don't.

Fit in a 9mm magazine

 

[someguy2800]

I don’t really have any interest in the 960. I would like to get a 460 but am not really a big fan of any of the guns they offer barrels for. I’d buy one for a 4” M&P 45 or a sig 220.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

357 mag can be loaded to those velocities.

They actually say something like that on the website... https://460rowland.com/product/your-9mm-to-true-357-magnum/
"Convert your 9mm handgun into .357 Magnum power with a .960 Rowland Conversion."

Never heard of it. A .960 would be an interesting cartridge, if the ATF could be gotten around. As it stands, it's a silly name for a .355 round.

Agreed. It is the decimal point in front of it that makes it look caliberly stupid. The could have called it a 960 and nobody would have thought much about it, like a Remington 700 that nobody thinks is .700 caliber because it isn't named stupidly. Written as it is, ".960", it looks like a nearly 1" caliber, which it is not.

 

[jmorris]

Sounds like major 9 loads, just with brass that won’t chamber in a regular barrel.

Would have thought harder on a name myself, or at least dropped the decimal. Guess there’s no “60“ in the other one either…

 

[Jim Watson]

He could have punctuated it like Remington did the 7mm '08; generating the "9mm 60" for a connection with the original 460.

 

[LoonWulf]

I don’t really have any interest in the 960. I would like to get a 460 but am not really a big fan of any of the guns they offer barrels for. I’d buy one for a 4” M&P 45 or a sig 220.

Threaded barrel with good support, good compensator (preferably steel for weight), springs, and 45super brass'd handloads will get you there......im not familiar with the M&P slides, but you might need to add weight as well....they seem pretty robust tho.

I went upto 1300 with 230/240s and longshot in my 5.75" XD. My gun and ammo held up fine, im the one that gave lol.

 

[mavracer]

Fit in a 9mm magazine

Yeah saw that after I posted.

 

[someguy2800]

Threaded barrel with good support, good compensator (preferably steel for weight), springs, and 45super brass'd handloads will get you there......im not familiar with the M&P slides, but you might need to add weight as well....they seem pretty robust tho.

I went upto 1300 with 230/240s and longshot in my 5.75" XD. My gun and ammo held up fine, im the one that gave lol.
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Yep I’ve been reading on people shooting 45 super in the M&P. It would be nice to have the 460 brass just to make sure it didn’t inadvertently get in my lesser 45’s. Pretty sure that would be a bomb in my unsupported Kahr 45.