5.7 x 28 ammo. WTH

[crestoncowboy]

There is absolutely no way the 5.7mm uses the most common bullets and powders and there's no way a large commercial manufacturer is going to take a financial risk to change that.

The 5.7 uses the same bullet as the 5.56 (AR). Most i know who reload use the 40-45 gr vmax but many use 55 grain as well so yes its the most common bullet. And yes it uses the most common pistol powders.

Its just a pia to reload for. Ive done it.

And it's not the same as 10mm. There have been many 10mm guns at most any time. Ive hinted with 10mm for 20 years. With the 5.7 there was exactly one gun made. Now there are 3. There was one brand of ammo. Now there are 3. Yet the price went from 20 a box of 50 to 40 a box of 50. Rather than down it went up. And not just after covid and the current POTUS. But before that.

And I know it will never be close to 9mm or 40 or 45. Not saying that. But a dollar a round? Lol. Id recommend it to people who can't tolerate recoil if not for that. I have all the ammo I'll ever need. No difference to me. But it could be a much more viable gun if ammo wasn't 300 magnum/460 smith priced.

 

[TTv2]

9mm accounts for the lion’s share of pistol shooting these days so the ammo manufacturers are responding accordingly. When there’s no pent up demand and people are buying as they need, companies have the time to make runs of all the numerous niche calibers and then to sell them at attractive prices. But today there’s evidently still plenty of unrequited demand for the basics, which means sadly that 5.7, 9mm largo, and even .32acp or .357 end up as afterthoughts, if they’re made at all.

Gee, this kind of demonstrates that maybe ammo companies need to expand their operations so in times like this they can provide the 9mm to meet the demand for that, but also meet demand for other calibers.

I've been on this soapbox for a while, but it's obvious that the ammo manufacturers have no interest in spending money to expand their production capacities, so the consumer is stuck with this for a very long time. In the meantime, startup companies will begin making ammo to meet demand and they'll gain share of the market while the established companies will lose market share and over time revenue.

Heck, I saw some people suggest that ammo companies in the US stop selling ammo to Canada for their Prime Minister banning handgun sales so they can sell more of that ammunition here in the US. I haven't seen any press releases from the ammo companies doing that, so that goes to show how loyal those companies are to their customers.

As such, I see no reason to be loyal to them as a customer. I'll buy someone else's ammo.

 

[TTv2]

The 5.7 uses the same bullet as the 5.56 (AR). Most i know who reload use the 40-45 gr vmax but many use 55 grain as well so yes its the most common bullet. And yes it uses the most common pistol powders.

Its just a pia to reload for. Ive done it.

And it's not the same as 10mm. There have been many 10mm guns at most any time. Ive hinted with 10mm for 20 years. With the 5.7 there was exactly one gun made. Now there are 3. There was one brand of ammo. Now there are 3. Yet the price went from 20 a box of 50 to 40 a box of 50. Rather than down it went up. And not just after covid and the current POTUS. But before that.

And I know it will never be close to 9mm or 40 or 45. Not saying that. But a dollar a round? Lol. Id recommend it to people who can't tolerate recoil if not for that. I have all the ammo I'll ever need. No difference to me. But it could be a much more viable gun if ammo wasn't 300 magnum/460 smith priced.

If people are recoil sensitive, I'd still steer them towards .32's, maybe even .22 TCM. I would have to believe that if someone is that recoil sensitive or has arthritis, they're probably going to have issues with the size of the grip on 5.7 pistols. Not that .22 TCM is going to be cheap ammo, but it's got to be less than $1 a round.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

BUT in the case of the 5.7 there are at least 3x as many guns made in the cartridge as 10 year ago. At least 3x the manufacturers make ammo for the round from 10 years ago.

These are some random and nearly useless stats to comprehend demand, supply, and pricing, particularly in the covid/post covid, Democrat in office paranoid times.

 

[crestoncowboy]

If people are recoil sensitive, I'd still steer them towards .32's, maybe even .22 TCM. I would have to believe that if someone is that recoil sensitive or has arthritis, they're probably going to have issues with the size of the grip on 5.7 pistols. Not that .22 TCM is going to be cheap ammo, but it's got to be less than $1 a round.

Yeah the grip is pretty dang big. But this guy loved it. He is an average size guy. Healthy but arthritis and rotator issues. Granted his guns are entirely wheel guns from a 38 to several 357 and a 45 single action.

These are some random and nearly useless stats to comprehend demand, supply, and pricing, particularly in the covid/post covid, Democrat in office paranoid times.

I did account for covid and the Democrats. The prices I quoted were pre-covid. No doubt things are stupid now. I know people who sold their 2020 and 21 vehicles with several thousand miles for more than they paid for them. Lol.

My mention of supply and demand is that pre-covid. Pre and during Trump everything ammo wise was cheap Even In the early days of covid I was buying 22 ammo for well under 20 per 500 RD. 300 mag and 7mm was at walmart for 17 dollars for 20. 12 guage sporting loads were 18 per 100. Ammo was cheap and yet 5.7 went from 20 a box to 40-50.
. For the same FN/Hornady ammo. Back when it was 20 dollars there was a single company making guns for it. (And a couple AR uppers) Very much a niche gun. But after 2 other companies make guns for it and 2 other mainstream companies make ammo for it.....its more than doubled. Still very much a niche gun IMO but far more are out there than before.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I did account for covid and the Democrats. The prices I quoted were pre-covid. No doubt things are stupid now. I know people who sold their 2020 and 21 vehicles with several thousand miles for more than they paid for them. Lol.

But you didn't and couldn't account for actually production #s and actual shooting #s, either before covid, during covid, or now. Just because there are more manufacturers doesn't mean that they are actually producing more ammo, or guns. I know of companies that "produce" Grendel ammo that haven't done a run in months and when they did do it, they didn't do much, at least not compared to the demand.

What people did with their vehicles has nothing do do with 5.7x28 ammo.