52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns

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Perhaps, for now. But just one shooting incident can readily turn those numbers around, especially when the media/politicians start with their anti-gun rhetoric. We must always remain vigilant and pro-active with all of our Constitutional Rights.
 
But just one shooting incident can readily turn those numbers around, especially when the media/politicians start with their anti-gun rhetoric.
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I don't think they turned thinking around with their gun-grabbing thinking so much after the last big shooting. I know they wanted to. There's a report that goes along with the part of the poll I mentioned. It talks about the results of an identical poll taken in Dec. 2012 right after Newtown. At that time fewer people thought guns made us more susceptible to crime than think that now. So they didn't scare people away from guns then even while Obama was claiming 90% of people wanted more gun control (which was a flat out lie). If Newtown didn't make people think guns put people's safety at risk I don't know what it would take to move that needle. The shift since Newtown has been in the number of people that think guns prevent crime. To be honest I think people are starting to see that it's the places where guns are banned that keep getting hit with the tragic shootings. If anything I think people are seeing that regular people carrying guns can stop a madman like that. Wouldn't you have shot the jerk if you had the chance? I know you would have. We all would. But it's pretty hard to do that if we are forbidden from having guns.

In a perfect world it might make some sense to keep guns away from people but we do NOT live in a perfect world (obviously). Even if no one had guns to shoot other people we would still face problems with wild animals though. City people never get that it seems. Where I grew up guns were essential in keeping the wild cats out of the yard. Dad killed dozens of them when I was very young. Those things can do a number on a person. A friend of mine had one jump him and it took 147 stitches to sew him up. He was sitting on a river bank fishing when a wild cat jumped on his back. Guns aren't always about shooting people. I can't imagine the world becoming the magic fairy land the gun grabbers want it to be. There are too many bad things out there. Now we have bears and wild hogs. Who's going to control them? Or do we let them walk into our kitchen and raid the refrigerator? They'll do it too if they have the chance. I have a copy of a letter my ancestor wrote where they talked about having to keep the wild animals out of the house because they smelled the food inside. They had to build what amounted to a fort around the house just so they could let the kids go outside.

I know pretty much everyone on this board is on the right side of this but some may not realize just what it can be like in a world without guns.
 
Apparently this poll is getting people upset

Even some antis seem to be willing to admit defeat. :D


The NRA has won

Sometimes I read stuff like this and get nauseous, but today for some reason I'm just amused by the amount of ignorance.
 
Increased support of gun ownership is due to the Internet changing the landscape of information flow.
When the Internet becomes regulated (Oh wait, it is... it's an FCC regulated public utility now) it can then be censored to affect the information flow.
Support of gun ownership will also decline with demographic flooding of people from gun violence-afflicted nations south of the border. They're being given citizenship and will vote against the 2nd amendment.

Time is not on our side, so we need to consider this our golden age and to raise our voices higher and higher to defend our nation's founding principles.
 
Oh boy, good news. Now it's time to worry:)
Put me in the "glass is half full" camp.
 
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While those results are good to hear, I remind myself that many in the current Washington power structure will respond, "So what?"
 
Right? Hill's already referred us as "a minority; yes, a minority" since that poll came out. All we can/should do is call them out on their baloney whenever we can.

TCB
 
I remind myself that many in the current Washington power structure will respond, "So what?"
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I don't know about that. The gun grabbers pushed hard to take stuff away from us after Sandy Hook but they accomplished nothing. In some states they succeeded and it even cost some politicians their position when recall elections threw them out of office for voting to take away our guns. I think we have held off the dedicated gun grabbers ever since the AWB. They have made some gains but we have made more. CCW was a pipe dream for most of us in 1992 when the AWB was passed. Now look around. The Supremes have set in stone that the 2nd applies to individuals too. Those things aren't small potatoes.

The fight is long from being over but IMO we're winning. It wasn't more than a couple of months ago we fought back the ban on certain .223 ammo.
 
and if 80 percent of 46 percent votes, and 55 percent of 52 percent votes, then 46 percent wins.

it's not a matter of who believes what -- it's a matter of who is registered to vote, and who actually goes to the polls to vote. That's it.
 
In the movie “2010: The Year We Make Contact”, Roy Scheider’s character questions the name of a Russian space ship that had been named after a prominent Russian official. The Russian guy says yes that was the name of the ship and then makes this prophetic statement, “Fortunes change ... ”. He was referring to goings on in Russian political circles where one man fell out of favor and another took his place.

Fortunes do change and this is especially so in politics. Never underestimate your opponent and never believe for a moment things can’t drastically change for the worse in an instant. 52% is a good thing, but it’s only three percentage points away from being on the “losing” side of the equation.
 
I find it rather humorously sad that the 2A is the most waxing and waning of all the rights citizens have. The left has demonized them to the point where people honestly believe that firearms make a person evil or will commit crime. You will never (or likely won't) see a poll asking if free speech should be done away with, or equal protection under the law, or give up needing a warrant for search and seizure.
 
You don't see posters on popular TV shows calling for taking away free speech rights either but I see them on programs like Law And Order SVU. They are so radical it's like going to liberal church and listening to the hallelujah chorus for the new castrati. They have their fire and brimstone preaching sessions too with lots of amen's in the corner. TV has done more damage to western civilization than any other single thing including communism and the education system.

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What do you know I was watching that very show (SVU) and they did call for limits on free speech after. It was "hate speech" because an idiot comedian made a joke about rape. They wanted to arrest him for it. So much for the constitution. I don't think rape jokes are funny but hey, I don't think SVU is funny either. Isn't what they do hateful towards lame comedians?

These people don't give a rat's rectum about your rights or the rights of anyone else. They want their way all day every day even when they contradict themselves. These are the people we need to fight to keep the 2nd and logic is not something they are familiar with using. It's all do-gooder stuff with them and they decide what's good and you get to be their victim.

It's an uphill battle fighting against people with no brains but we all know about zombies. We just thought they wanted to eat our brains because they were hungry. It turns out they just don't want you to have a brain.

Again I think rape jokes are vile. Just so everyone knows that. But arrest someone for telling a vile joke? There wouldn't be a comedian left in the western world. That's Taliban stuff. Don't think it can't happen here. It "is" happening here.
 
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and if 80 percent of 46 percent votes, and 55 percent of 52 percent votes, then 46 percent wins.

it's not a matter of who believes what -- it's a matter of who is registered to vote, and who actually goes to the polls to vote. That's it.
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^^^This. I always ask folks when I hear them complain about this or that politician, if they voted in the last election. Just as often as not they reply "no, but......".

Coupla years ago the local School District presented a referendum to the voters. In the pre-vote polls the referendum was favored by 70% of the district's voters. Problem was, it wasn't a major election and the voter turnout was extremely light. Those opposed to the referendum made a last minute phone blitz to get out the vote on their side and the referendum lost by 10 votes.
 
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Don't forget the "pro-gun" voters who vote for anti-gun candidates.
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People have different priorities when it comes to voting for a candidate. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I have never found a candidate that agrees with all of my top 5 issues.
 
Scary that it's so low as far as I'm concerned.
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I generally expect most polls done by the usual places to be biased in one way or another. i don't think they reflect the true thinking of American people. The way they word their questions is designed to get the response they want. Like almost all news organizations they color the news to fit their POV.

Look at the actual question in this poll. This is how they word the results:

"Nearly six-in-ten Americans (57%) say gun ownership does more to protect people from becoming victims of crime, while 38% say it does more to endanger personal safety."

They don't ask straight out "do you favor more gun control or less gun control" because it would not give them the results they want. They want to promoted the gun grabber POV almost certainly. I've watched how Pew polls have worked over the years and their questions are always loaded. There's likely a substantial number of people who think we need to be allowed to keep our guns and don't believe they actually prevent crime. That's only one reason to own a gun. I can think of several. But they single out that single question then imply it covers the question of whether people want gun control or not. It's subtle but effective.

I was a journalism major in college. They actually trained us to slant stories to promote the POV the publisher wants. That was the day I decided I wasn't going to be a journalist. I spent almost 3 full years studying the subject before they dropped that bomb on us. I knew people thought journalists were biased but for a major university to actually teach people to fudge the news was just too much for me. My morals aren't for sale. I could probably dig up my notes from that class if you'd like to see exactly what they told us. I pretty much wrote down everything they said in those days.

The bottom line is to take any MSM poll with a grain of salt and figure the liberal view is promoted to a degree in every poll you see that comes from a place like PEW. There are other polls that color the news the other direction too BTW but they are far less ingrained in our culture.
 
Cee Zee said:
I generally expect most polls done by the usual places to be biased in one way or another. i don't think they reflect the true thinking of American people. The way they word their questions is designed to get the response they want. Like almost all news organizations they color the news to fit their POV.

Look at the actual question in this poll. This is how they word the results:

"Nearly six-in-ten Americans (57%) say gun ownership does more to protect people from becoming victims of crime, while 38% say it does more to endanger personal safety."

They don't ask straight out "do you favor more gun control or less gun control" because it would not give them the results they want. They want to promoted the gun grabber POV almost certainly. I've watched how Pew polls have worked over the years and their questions are always loaded. There's likely a substantial number of people who think we need to be allowed to keep our guns and don't believe they actually prevent crime. That's only one reason to own a gun. I can think of several. But they single out that single question then imply it covers the question of whether people want gun control or not. It's subtle but effective.
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Pew asked 3 questions about firearms, the question you are quoting was a follow-up question. The topline question Pew Asked:

ASK ALL:
Q.53 What do you think is more important – to protect the right of Americans to own guns, OR to control
gun ownership?

52% said "It is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns"
46% said "It is more important to control gun ownership"

http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/12/12-10-14-Guns-topline-for-release.pdf

I agree you need to have access to the poll questions to see how they are worded. Pew is good about that and pretty good with how they phrase their questions. I don't think you can get more straightforward than question # 53.
 
To be fair, even that question is biased; gun rights and gun control are not mutually exclusive in the eyes of many (esp. when "who" is controlling is not specified). This is buzz word poll dependent upon peoples' preconceived biases regarding the words "gun rights" and "gun control." Like all buzz word/dog whistle/etc. polls, it breaks on party lines for the most part.

TCB
 
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