6.5 PRC The Fastest Growing Hunting cartridge

[InTheSwamp]

When an item is OOS at a retailer, its because its sold out, because the distributor is also OOS or the manufacturer cannot keep up with demand.
OR
Because the retailer decided not to reorder, the distributor deccided not to reorder or the manufacturer discontinued production.

None of which explains why the 65PRC is so widely available, and in stock. And not just for one week, but every week. Either the buyers are buying, or all those retailers are in to lose money. Unlikely.

Your near total ignorance of the "supply chain" in regards to firearms is laughable. The "supply chain" doesn't keep the shelves stocked with the most popular firearms because the firearms industry ain't like selling butter, eggs and canned goods. Mom&Pop gun stores ordering ten guns a week aren't going to enjoy the discounts that Academy and Cabelas do, nor will they have their orders given priority (called allocations) on product in greatest demand.

Sorry, the laws of economics apply the same to firearms, butter, eggs, hookers, and whatnot. Feel free to bang your head against them.

Yet every day, all over the world, salesman convince buyers to buy their wonder product. And it doesn't always sell.

Can you rephrase that? The buyers are buying it.

There was a massive decrease in the sales of .40 handguns once the FBI said nope, we going back to 9mm. So did the gun buying public.

The gun-buying public had the last word. They wanted 9mm, not 40. Same with the 65PRC.

See, you think no seller would spend any money selling, stocking or advertising something that does not sell.........

Selling, yes. Stocking, or advertising, no smart seller would.

I do. You don't.

Hardly noticed it. Good night!

Didn't read it did ya?

Yes, I did.

 

[dogtown tom]

None of which explains why the 65PRC is so widely available, and in stock. And not just for one week, but every week. Either the buyers are buying, or all those retailers are in to lose money. Unlikely.

Well, first, my comment has to do with Out Of Stock items, not In Stock. Your Amazon book should have those terms in it.
That you dont know why its in stock for one week, every week and never goes out of stock .........tells me you have less knowledge of the gun business than the bag boy at Kroger.

Sorry, the laws of economics apply the same to firearms, butter, eggs, hookers, and whatnot. Feel free to bang your head against them.

Sorry, but I'm not arguing economics, but the reality of old stock and excess inventory at gun retailers and distributors. Feel free to bang your head until you get your FFL and then tell us how your Amazon book prevents you from buying guns that dont sell as well as others.

Can you rephrase that? The buyers are buying it.

Not in the sales volumes that .308, .300winmag, 6.5 Grendel and a half dozen other cartridges. If you love your 6.5PRC good for you.....but dont try and convince us you have a single finger on the gun biz.

The gun-buying public had the last word. They wanted 9mm, not 40. Same with the 65PRC.

Yeah. Not at all the point and I would hope you would reread what I wrote. The gun buying public was pretty damn happy with .40S&W right up until the FBI dropped it. That "last word" was due to the FBI and later state and local PD.
In short, it wasn't a matter of the last word, but the first word by the FBI. The "gun-buying public" is heavily influenced by what the military and police buy. And state and local PD eagerly adopt whatever the FBI says is the next bestest and greatest.

Selling, yes. Stocking, or advertising, no smart seller would.

Yet, again........they do. I think you have no background in economics or business because I've given you plenty of examples of products that were stocked and advertised heavily and yet were pathetic sellers. You think Bud's is a smart seller? Academy? Cabelas? All of them bought Glock's .45GAP pistol and had such dismal sales that they begged Glock to remove MAP on that caliber so they could flush that dog of a gun out the door at cost.

 

[CraigC]

Was the 6.5 PRC developed primarily for hunting?

Nope, nor the Creedmoor. People seem to lose sight of that fact when they're busy complaining that "there's nothing new under the sun". They're complaining it doesn't do something it was never intended to, make deer deader. They're mostly intended to maximize a given platform for PRS. Not replace granddad's favorite deer rifle.

 

[InTheSwamp]

Yeah. Not at all the point and I would hope you would reread what I wrote. The gun buying public was pretty damn happy with .40S&W right up until the FBI dropped it. That "last word" was due to the FBI and later state and local PD.
In short, it wasn't a matter of the last word, but the first word by the FBI. The "gun-buying public" is heavily influenced by what the military and police buy. And state and local PD eagerly adopt whatever the FBI says is the next bestest and greatest.

It seems as though, they weren't - they switched to 9. You just called every 9mm buyer that switched, a decision-making-incapable idiot. A treat shared among those who claim buyers are at the mercy of salesmen (Basically, every mainstream economist...are you one of those?)

The suggested move to 10mm - by the almighty F.B.I - did not catch up. They tried to remedy with the 40 and worked until they came to their senses.

Not in the sales volumes that .308, .300winmag, 6.5 Grendel and a half dozen other cartridges. If you love your 6.5PRC good for you.....but dont try and convince us you have a single finger on the gun biz.

The article quoted in this post, claims is the fastest-growing, it doesn't claim anything about volume. And, I made very clear in my first post, that "in-stock" inventory, is not the measure to look for, but comparing present vs. past sales. That's how you measure growth. As an example, I pointed out the models stocked by Bud's (you can pick other large retailers, and the outcome is similar), that's a measure of the increasing popularity of the cartridge - Hint: Growth.
I have zero experience in the gun industry. Not an impediment to understanding how the market works. Any market.

All of them bought Glock's .45GAP pistol and had such dismal sales that they begged Glock to remove MAP on that caliber so they could flush that dog of a gun out the door at cost.

Which doesn't seem to be happening with the PRC. New models are coming out and sold, from, almost, every major manufacturer out there. The 45GAP was basically offered by Glock and smelled like a Gimmick from the getgo.

 

[dogtown tom]

It seems as though, they weren't - they switched to 9. You just called every 9mm buyer that switched, a decision-making-incapable idiot.

I didn't call anyone an idiot. More than a few civilians and a whole lot of police departments went to .40 because the FBI did.
Using the same caliber as the police and military isn't anything new.

A treat shared among those who claim buyers are at the mercy of salesmen (Basically, every mainstream economist...are you one of those?)

I made an observation based on facts. It has nothing to do with salesmanship or economics.

The suggested move to 10mm - by the almighty F.B.I - did not catch up. They tried to remedy with the 40 and worked until they came to their senses.

Well no kidding. What do you think happened once the FBI "came to their senses"?.......so did state and local PD and the civilian market. It didn't take salesmanship nor an economist for people to jump back to the 9mm.

The article quoted in this post, claims is the fastest-growing, it doesn't claim anything about volume.

And if you read my post I pointed out "fastest growing" doesn't mean anything if you are only a miniscule percentage of sales.

And, I made very clear in my first post, that "in-stock" inventory, is not the measure to look for, but comparing present vs. past sales. That's how you measure growth. As an example, I pointed out the models stocked by Bud's (you can pick other large retailers, and the outcome is similar), that's a measure of the increasing popularity of the cartridge - Hint: Growth.

And exactly what I wrote in post #41 "in stock" status isn't an indicator of sales. It may actually show what IS NOT selling.

I have zero experience in the gun industry.

Shocked I am.

Not an impediment to understanding how the market works. Any market.

And you would be wrong again.

Which doesn't seem to be happening with the PRC. New models are coming out and sold, from, almost, every major manufacturer out there. The 45GAP was basically offered by Glock and smelled like a Gimmick from the getgo.

1. You have ZERO sales figures on the PRC......ZERO. Your conclusions are based on your love of the round. That's fanboyism at its finest.
2. I could not care any less what my customers buy. I earn the exact same transfer fee for a Crickett .22 as I do for a $18,000 Accuracy International ASR Rifle Kit (.308/.300NM/.338NM) My view of the PRC is "not a big seller period". Neither are .50BMG rifles. Thats not a knock on that caliber, but an observation of popularity.
3. Believing that "new models" from a gun manufacturer equals growth is a faulty premise. Sometimes new models are a weak attempt to gather a few more sales before they discontinue or back shelf a model........ie the SIG P238. At least twenty different SKU's (varieties) trying to keep sales going, now one.
4. You love the PRC and I would guess compete in precision rifle competitions..........a fairly small sport compared to hunting. The rifles you look at most are likely PRC. Thats a pretty narrow selection vs what a guy who does gun transfers sees. I dont stock firearms, so I'm not transferring only the calibers I carry, just transferring what my customers have purchased. And 6.5PRC rifles are far, far behind pink Crickett .22's.

 

[troy fairweather]

 

[joneb]

I just read an article on my newest issue of shooting times that says the 6.5 PRC is the fastest growing Hunting Cartridge

I'm still stuck with a .308 Win.
If I were to get another rifle for deer and elk where I live it would likely be a .280 AI.

 

[JDeere]

The 6.5 PR and CM are fine long range and PR rounds in which they were intended for. The manufacturers and gun mags have taken off and marketed them well. They have to come up with something new to keep sales up. The latest and greatest is a must have for some. Others are being sold on it at the lgs level. I am at the rifle range atleast once a week and I see this quite regularly with the once a year sight my rifle in crowd. To each his own but I'll just keep shooting my 7-08s out to 600 on occasion just for fun and calling it good. In all my years of hunting my longest whitetail shot is 175yds with most being 100 or less. ymmv

 

[citizenconn]

Sorry, the laws of economics apply the same to firearms, butter, eggs, hookers, and whatnot. Feel free to bang your head against them.

I think you're doing it wrong...

 

[herrwalther]

Comparing the 6.5 PRC (II) and other calibers that can fit into an AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel, 300 Blackout, 350 Legend, 50 Beowulf, and 224 Val are all much more popular and better suited rounds for hunting depending on the game and range.

 

[WisBorn]

Comparing the 6.5 PRC (II) and other calibers that can fit into an AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel, 300 Blackout, 350 Legend, 50 Beowulf, and 224 Val are all much more popular and better suited rounds for hunting depending on the game and range.

Every one is entitled to their own opinion.
But the 6.5 PRC generates over 400 fps and 500 pounds of energy over the 6.5 Grendel.
The Grendel can be an effective mid range rifle, but long range the 6.5 PRC wins hands down.

 

[citizenconn]

Comparing the 6.5 PRC (II) and other calibers that can fit into an AR-15, the 6.5 Grendel, 300 Blackout, 350 Legend, 50 Beowulf, and 224 Val are all much more popular and better suited rounds for hunting depending on the game and range.

I may be obtuse, but I am understanding based on your use of "II" that you may be confusing the 6.5 PRC with the 6.8 SPC. The 6.5 PRC doesn't fit into an AR15. I'm not even sure it can fit into an AR-10 sized AR. I've only seen it in bolt guns thus far.

The 6.5 PRC is a sort of "magnumized" version of the 6.5 Creedmoor, using the same bullets but with a fatter case for more powder.

 

[westernrover]

Yeah, but long-range what? White-tail shots at 400 yards and over?
How many consumers that hunt are really making those shots?
I suspect it's very few, and the few that are could probably stand to hunt their game and get closer.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking hunters that use "too much" gun or consumers that buy those guns (thinking about it myself in post #6). I'm just questioning whether it makes sense.

The old-school magnums made sense because they pushed MPBR out beyond 375 yards. A hunter did not need a laser rangefinder or a turret and erector that worked for more than zeroing -- both of which are recent innovations.

The low-drag bullet cartridges (Creedmoor) make sense because they offer outstanding velocity and energy retention way down range without extreme velocities and recoil that burns out barrels and shooters. Provided lasers and good erectors, hunters can dial their shots in.

Low-drag magnums like the PRC just seem to be the baubles of gentleman hunters.

 

[herrwalther]

I may be obtuse, but I am understanding based on your use of "II" that you may be confusing the 6.5 PRC with the 6.8 SPC. The 6.5 PRC doesn't fit into an AR15. I'm not even sure it can fir into an AR-10 sized AR. I've only seen it in bolt guns thus far.

I probably am. I am looking into an other than 5.56 hunting caliber so it is likely I am mixing up the rounds.

 

[WisBorn]

First I'm not an advocate for shooting at animals at extreme ranges. A quarter mile (440 yards) is a long way. At the same time I'm not someone that goes with a minimum to get the job done.
That said more energy at the target is a good thing. That is why I like magnum cartridges. 300 wsm is a good choice for medium and large game. The same game that I would use the 308 win for.

 

[.45Coltguy]

Simple fact: You like it, buy it and use it.
Don't like it, leave it on the shelf. When any of the "newer" 6.5 anythings are around as long and have the history of the .270 Win, maybe there will be more believers.
Just my opinion only.

 

[citizenconn]

I probably am. I am looking into an other than 5.56 hunting caliber so it is likely I am mixing up the rounds.

I use the following AR rounds for hunting deer and hogs: 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC II, .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster. The 350 is good to 150 yards; the 450 about the same, maybe a bit farther. The 6.5 Grendel I trust to 300 yards and is my favorite for longer shots. The 6.8 SPC II I'd be comfortable shooting to 200-225 yards, maybe a bit more.

There is also the .300 Ham'r, but I have not used it personally. I love the .300 Blackout for a lot of things but I don't hunt with it, thought I've seen that the Blackhills load in I think 115 grain (might want to double check) is good for deer. I wish I had a .30 Rem AR upper because they are supposed to be great for hunting.

I have hunting loads for my .224 Valkyrie, .223/5.56 and 22 Nosler, but I haven't used them for hunting deer or hogs yet. I think they would all be capable for deer/hogs in a limited range, though they are not legal in all states for that purpose.

There are some other boutique loads out there I am aware of but don't have so I can't offer any info on them. I have the .50 Beowulf and .458 Socom but I prefer the .450 Bushmaster over those for hunting. Just personal preference.

I hope this gives you some idea of about the more popular hunting loads for an AR. I do most of my woods hunting with the .350 Legend and 170 grain interlocks. Open range I take the 6.5 Grendel in 123 grain or so, interlocks or other Hornady hunting bullets.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[InTheSwamp]

...I didn't call anyone an idiot. More than a few civilians and a whole lot of police departments went to .40 because the FBI did.
Using the same caliber as the police and military isn't anything new..

Peace, brother.

 

[FL-NC]

A friend of mine who is a hunting guide out west is a huge fan of it. As for me, my 6.5 CM, 243, and 30-30 will handle anything I need to bag in the southeast and most other places.

 

[wbm]

I just read an article on my newest issue of shooting times that says the 6.5 PRC is the fastest growing Hunting Cartridge so I ask all of you Do you belive this if yes or no please explain Why?

Yeah. I can go with that. Why? I think "fastest growing" is open to interpretation.

As for me, my 6.5 CM, 243, and 30-30 will handle anything I need to bag in the southeast and most other places.

Having used all of the above, except the 30-30, for years in the South West and having taken everything from Javalina to Elk...I agree.

 

[Laphroaig]

The 6.5 PRC is a sort of "magnumized" version of the 6.5 Creedmoor, using the same bullets but with a fatter case for more powder.

I think of it more as a 6.5 WSM.

 

[Goosey]

Y
Low-drag magnums like the PRC just seem to be the baubles of gentleman hunters.

It's not that much of a magnum. It has the same case capacity and the same velocity as a .270... but with low drag bullets. The point-blank range is also the same. Makes sense to me.

 

[Weflyfast]

Don't forget- there are a bunch of people in the industry that need jobs- new cartridges, magazine articles, blogs, videos, ect.... all make marketing hype that makes sales that keeps people in the industry employed! ......if you don't like, have a need, have no desire for something new....that's ok .... But remember it's the new stuff and hype that brings people to our sport- and helps keep the doors open- also give all you guys something to post about!!!!!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

The Grendel can be an effective mid range rifle, but long range the 6.5 PRC wins hands down.

Absolutely, but that is one of those paper tiger sort of victories for most folks since most folks aren't hunting (thread topic) long range. I don't think there is anyway to quantify it universally, but in the surveys I have seen, 95% of hunters don't typically shoot beyond 200 yards and most of those aren't shooting beyond 100 yards - most of the time when hunting.

There are, of course, those who specialize in longer range hunting and places in the US where long range hunting may be necessary.

I may be obtuse, but I am understanding based on your use of "II" that you may be confusing the 6.5 PRC with the 6.8 SPC. The 6.5 PRC doesn't fit into an AR15. I'm not even sure it can fit into an AR-10 sized AR. I've only seen it in bolt guns thus far.

No, it does not fit into an AR15 platform. I would expect a bigger, heavier loaded cartridge to be fired from a bigger, heavier rifle and to have very different performance specs. The 6.5 PRC does.

Yeah, it is more powerful than something like a Grendel. Absolutely. That comes with everything else being more, such as the recoil as well.

But, of course, the 6.5 PRC really isn't all that amazing when you compare it to the 26 Nosler, the big brother of 6.5 PRC, so to speak.

 

[JimKirk]

By just looking at Hodgdon data comparisons between the .264 Winchester Magnum(26") and the 6.5 PRC(24") .... there is less than 40 fps difference between the data for the two using 140 grain bullets ...

I owned a .264 Winchester up until not but a few years ago ... someone wanted it more than I did ...

IF I were to buy a 6.5 caliber rifle anytime soon ... It would probably be the 6.5 PRC ... short action ...set up for long bullets ....

Matter fact I fondled a Tiki Lite in 6.5 PRC just last week ....at the local shop ....