6.5x55 or 7mm-08

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I had a 1907 Swede carbine that was a nice soft push and I still have my Model 7 with the light 18.5" barrel. ASFIAC, they are so close as to be a pick 'em - bullet weights are almost identical from light to heavy; velocities and trajectories are also almost identical. I kept the 7-08 only because the rifle was about 1 pound lighter (and as mentioned, THAT can hurt), but at the time, I was climbing mountain sides and my 7mm mag was almost two pounds heavier.......

Of course I bought my Swede at a gun show in 1983 for $55 and that included 200 rounds of Norma military ball ammo; spent more for the smith to bend the bolt, put on a new safety and drill and tap for a scope
 
If you don't reload go with the 7mm-08. If you do, I'd go with the 6.5x55 for a bolt gun, .260 Rem (6.5mm-08) for an autoloader.

Mike
 
I have a press, but I am new at reloading. The only caliber that I have loaded is 45 colt so far because I can't find powder.

It looks like my choices are few in 6.5x55 if I want my rifle under 7 lbs. Sako and Tikka are the only ones that I am seeing in a synthetic stock rifle under 7 lbs.

I am leaning more to the 7mm-08 because of rifle choices now.
 
I think that overall the 7-08 is more practical. It's certainly capable. It's more available. It's a shorter cartridge ( based on the 308)...

All that being said.....I'd take the 6.5 !! More interesting and more history. I regret selling my Swedish Mauser and would love to get another.
( Have you noticed how many folks keep saying that ?)

Either way , you can't go wrong ....mike
 
I'm kindof partial to the 6.5 swede but that's also because i love swedish mausers. either are just as capable as the other, both cost about the same both to reload and to buy factory. both have about the same amount of models chambered in them. so pretty much flip a coin.
 
Combine the best features of each and you get the. 260 Remington, the best of both worlds.
 
I have been waiting for the .260 Remington to be mentioned. Surprised it took this long.

It is another fine cartridge (as is the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is based on the 250 Savage Improved case).

However, the 7mm-08 is still a lot easier to find ammo for.
 
I have been waiting for the .260 Remington to be mentioned. Surprised it took this long.

It is another fine cartridge (as is the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is based on the 250 Savage Improved case).

However, the 7mm-08 is still a lot easier to find ammo for.
6.5x55 ammo is easily available on the internet, which is where I buy most of my ammo anyway.
 
7mm08 v 6.5 x 55

I use a 7mm08. I have also looked closely at 6.5 x 55.

the 6.5 x 55 has a really good reputation as a game getter. It is a great round.

the 7mm08 is also a very formidable round.

lets have a look at some data.

6.5 x 55 120 HPBT Sierra
N140 2795
N540 2684
N150 2753
N550 2914
N160 2975
N560 3056

7mm08 120 sierra sp

120 Spitzer Sierra
N135 2978
N140 3048
N150 3066

(i have used this N140 sierra prohunter load... accurate ... deadly... really damaging..)

so fairly similar speeds but the 7mm08 is burning faster powder.

6.5 x 55 140 HPBT Sierra
N150 2511
N550 2644
N160 2687
N560 2770
N165 2735


7mm08 140 Ballistic Tip Nosler
N135 2649
N140 2746
N150 2671

i use the 42 gr N140 with hornady interlock. really good load it has killed many deer.

6.5 x 55 156 Mega Lapua
N165 2478
N560 2537
N170 2447
N570 2539

7mm08 160 SPBT
N140 2573
N150 2542
N160 2667

but thats as high as the 6.5mm goes... 7mm goes onto 175gr

so really there is not much to choose between them. the sectional density of the 6.5 is of course proportionately higher.. but the ballistic coefficient of the 7mm bullets is generally higher (imo).

Other contributors have spoken about recoil. Recoil is simple physics. if you use a really light rifle you will feel more recoil. my 7mm is a remmy model 7 with a really slim barrel. very light. With heavy loads it recoils... but when i am deer shooting i take a shot. So it isn't really an issue. i dont do protracted target sessions with it.

If shot from a mid weight sporter there would be no difference in recoil.

we shoot deer all year round. I have shot many, many deer. my annual tally is around 35 deer on average. from muntjac to big lowland red deer i have total confidence in my 7mm08.

you can also neck down 308 cases.

i would go 7mm
 
For the record I have never had any real issue finding 6.5x55 ammo, two local gun stores carry it as does Bass Pro and I get Prvi stupid cheap online much cheaper then I can get any 7mm-08. I have used factory Prvi 6.5x55 on deer once to see how well it performed, would not hesitate to use it again she was down inside 10 feet.
 
I hunt deer with a winchester 70 in 6.5 swede. I have never had a deer take more than a step after contact. I use 140 grain factory ammo. It also xoes little damage to the meat. I would not trade that gun for any other.
 
No but I used to use the PRVI 139 grain and it worked great. At the time I couldn't find the 120 grain PRVI. Used PRVI b/c it was so inexpensive. I started reloading specifically b/c of the 6.5x55. I wanted higher velocity and the hot commercial loads are pricey. I also have a 30-06, 30-30, .270, .243 and my daughter has a 7mm-08. For me there is something special about the Swede that I have not found in other rifles. Mine is a CZ 550 American and I chose it over a Tikka b/c it is heavier and I have a bad shoulder. I use my Swede for everything but predators. The .243 is for them. My other rifles are now safe queens even though they are very accurate with great triggers(I won't own a rifle otherwise). My .270 is a .5 MOA shooter just like my Swede but still sits in the safe. My next and last rifle I will own will be a 6.5x06. Unless I ever make it to Africa of course.
 
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7mm-08

According to my Hornady Loading Manual, the 6.5x55 will push a 140grain bullet to 2600fps with a 29" barrel of a Mauser 1896. (Small Ring Mauser, can't push the pressure, Their proof rounds were at 66,000 psi. Max Average Pressure for the 7mm-08 is 61,000psi)
The 7mm-08, with a 24" barrel can push a 162 grain bullet to 2600 fps. The sectional density is the same for both weight/cal combinations. But, comparing the Amax choices for both, the 140 gr 6.5mm Amax has a BC of .550, while the 162 gr 7mm Amax has a BC of .625.
Either way, the 7mm-08 wins.
If you're a reloader, the 7mm-08 especially wins, because you can make cases from .308 brass. Fire forming with a light powder charge is required, but shooting thumb tacks at 50 yards with light recoiling rifles is a lot of fun.
Of course, in a modern action or something like a '98 mauser action, you can upload the 6.5 a bit more, but is it really worth all the trouble?
 
According to my Hornady Loading Manual, the 6.5x55 will push a 140grain bullet to 2600fps with a 29" barrel of a Mauser 1896. (Small Ring Mauser, can't push the pressure, Their proof rounds were at 66,000 psi. Max Average Pressure for the 7mm-08 is 61,000psi)
The 7mm-08, with a 24" barrel can push a 162 grain bullet to 2600 fps. The sectional density is the same for both weight/cal combinations. But, comparing the Amax choices for both, the 140 gr 6.5mm Amax has a BC of .550, while the 162 gr 7mm Amax has a BC of .625.
Either way, the 7mm-08 wins.
If you're a reloader, the 7mm-08 especially wins, because you can make cases from .308 brass. Fire forming with a light powder charge is required, but shooting thumb tacks at 50 yards with light recoiling rifles is a lot of fun.
Of course, in a modern action or something like a '98 mauser action, you can upload the 6.5 a bit more, but is it really worth all the trouble?
I have not formed cases for 7mm-08 from .308 myself, but I have seen many mention that after running a .308 case through a FL 7-08 die you are good to go for full-house loads, no fire-forming. Like I said, I haven't done it, that's just what I have seen on the forums.
 
According to my Hornady Loading Manual, the 6.5x55 will push a 140grain bullet to 2600fps with a 29" barrel of a Mauser 1896. (Small Ring Mauser, can't push the pressure, Their proof rounds were at 66,000 psi. Max Average Pressure for the 7mm-08 is 61,000psi)
The 7mm-08, with a 24" barrel can push a 162 grain bullet to 2600 fps. The sectional density is the same for both weight/cal combinations. But, comparing the Amax choices for both, the 140 gr 6.5mm Amax has a BC of .550, while the 162 gr 7mm Amax has a BC of .625.
Either way, the 7mm-08 wins.
If you're a reloader, the 7mm-08 especially wins, because you can make cases from .308 brass. Fire forming with a light powder charge is required, but shooting thumb tacks at 50 yards with light recoiling rifles is a lot of fun.
Of course, in a modern action or something like a '98 mauser action, you can upload the 6.5 a bit more, but is it really worth all the trouble?

+1 But I have ran .243,260, and .308 brass neck sized from unfired brass with no issue. .308 brass will have short thick necks but I havent seen any accuracy problems with hornady match 308 brass.
 
It's personal choice, really. Also, part of the reason I joined this is I am on the fence about it myself.

I've owned 3 6.5x55's, and one 7-08. Here's my take -

For shooting - my 7-08 was in a Steyr Scout rifle at 7.1lbs w/scope and sling - and I found the recoil to be pretty sharp. I eventually added a Steyr recoil pad - and this made it MUCH more shootable, but it still liked to jump. Likewise, the muzzle blast was enough to kick up leaves out to 20' in front of me. 19"bbl, ~39.5" OAL, IIRC. The Ruger No 1. in 6.5x55 that I had sported a 22" bbl with a ~38.5" OAL, and had SIGNIFICANTLY less blast. Granted, it was still a noticeable poof, but the Scout I wouldn't dare shoot without hearing protection. The 6.5 I'd consider. The effect on bottles, however, was identical between the two. Also, the kick on the 6.5x55 was a good deal softer, even with 140gr rounds.

Downrange, in all honesty, it's neck-and-neck for ballistics, but the 7-08 hits harder, and the 6.5x55 would sink deeper, in theory. I've looked across the board on BC's of 7-08 and 6.5x55, and they do come even - if anything, the 7's get a SLIGHT edge in Berger's, but you need to be at the heaviest bullets to get this.

As far as reloading - I have been an AVID 6.5 fan, but I'm getting irritated with the market for it. It's one of few calibers that still has bullets on the shelf during the ammo-frenzy, but when it comes to accessories, you can find 7mm and .30 stuff before finding 6.5 if looking in your local store. Even online I'm running out of places to get 6.5 things. Most of the good items are out of stock for the next 3 months at least, and since 6.5 is a niche cal most producers aren't making a priority of production for it.

Also, as I'm just finding out, 6.5x55 is a very fussy caliber to shoot cast with.

Factory ammo - the 7-08 has a larger variety in the U.S., no question. However, most 7-08 factory ammo runs at 140gr, with a few going to 154 and 162/168gr. I think only the custom makers (DoubleTap/CorBon) have produced a 175gr 7-08. For the 6.5x55 - Prvi is cheaper, yes, but nearly EVERY other possible brand of 6.5x55 is going to be at least as expensive as 7-08.

Another point about the 6.5x55 - and something I hope the hunters will chime in on - I've read on a ballistic/LR Hunting website (Terminal Ballistics Research) that the 6.5x55 has a penchant for NOT opening up on impact due to it's narrow build, and the owner of said website has had issues in the past with game getting away from a pinhole in and out. This is a much less common occurence with 7-08, from what I understand. However, the owner of the website also STARTED with 6.5x55, IIRC, and even states that he has a slight distaste for the caliber. I've heard most other actual users of the caliber having no such problems.

I've also read that 6.5x55 has a shorter barrel life, since it uses longer-burning and magnum powders, and that its long bullets with fast twists impart more ersion on the barrel lands. 7-08 on the other hand is like a "Lite 308" - and apparently has much better brass life and potentially barrel life. Again, I'd love for someone to chime in on this.

In short, if you're hunting - take either. If blasting/plinking and *some* hunting, I'd go 7-08 for barrel life and case life, as well as easier access to supplies. If target/LR Match, I'd pick either, but 6.5x55 seems to have quite the following.
 
Red Rick;

Back a few years I bought my son his first centerfire rifle for his 16th birthday. When I told the owner of the LGS what I was lookin' for, and wasn't gonna be real fussy about the caliber, he immediately pulled out the leftover Remmie classic in 6.5 X 55mm & said "buy it". I trusted him & I did at a very good deal in those days dollars.

I reloaded for it & found out just what a sweet round it is. Began looking for one of my own. Hah! Left handed 6.5 Swedes may not be quite as rare as hen's teeth, but don't take a deep breath & hold it till you find one. You will turn blue, fall down, twitch, and people will talk. So I had mine built, cost me little more than that classic did too. But, I don't begrudge a dime.

Now, I don't own a 7/08, but I don't feel the loss at all. For me it's the Swede hands down.

900F
 
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According to my Hornady Loading Manual, the 6.5x55 will push a 140grain bullet to 2600fps with a 29" barrel of a Mauser 1896.

2800 is easily obtained with milsurp appropriate loads.

6.5x55 has a penchant for NOT opening up on impact due to it's narrow build, and the owner of said website has had issues in the past with game getting away from a pinhole in and out

Hard to believe. It's a popular cartridge for moose in Sweden, and has a reputation as a superb hunting cartridge.

More likely: Standard cup and core bullets do not open well if they impact below 2100 FPS. If you start at 2500 or 2600, it's pretty easy to get below 2100 by the time the bullet impacts. Switching to Partitions gets your minimum impact speed down around 1800, and there are other good choices as well.
 
I am curious, has anyone here had a real life negative experience with factory 6.5x55 loads? I hear all this talk that with that caliber you HAVE to reload, I've shot three Barbary Sheep and four hogs with cheap Privi in my 6.5 and all were DRT.

For my upcoming cow elk hunt I've got some pricey Norma factory ammo, 156 grain.
 
+1 But I have ran .243,260, and .308 brass neck sized from unfired brass with no issue. .308 brass will have short thick necks but I havent seen any accuracy problems with hornady match 308 brass.
I agree with Ironworker. Reload 308 or 7.62 military cases after running through a standard 7mm-08 die. No problem and cheap. Forget the foreign ammo. The swedes are great rifles if you have the money, but new American rifles will shoot as good and do it for a lot less. Don't overlook the great old Winchester Mod 70 in .257 Roberts and .243. They will kill a deer as dead as it can get and shoot almost as flat with hand loads in a 22" barrel, as many of the "Short Magnums" being pushed today. Less noisy too.
 
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