7.62 x 39 Rifles other than...

[Digex2]

I'm interested in rifles made for the 7.62 x 39 round. Obviously AK variants are known and the SKS is the other common rifle for this round. What other non-SKS/AK rifles exist out there?

 

[Darkside852003]

Ruger mini 30

 

[boofus]

I think the Rashid uses that round too.

 

[DMK]

There were a few CZ-52/VZ-52 rifles converted or built to fire 7.62x39. Some were converted here by importes with chamber inserts, but there is a legitimate version called the VZ-52/57 which is in fact chambered in 7.62x39.

(These are not to be confused with the CZ-52 pistol. I guess the Czechs had a similar issue with nomenclature as we do with our M1 cabine, M1 Subgun, M1 rifle, etc).


http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/VZ52.html

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/vz5257history.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/vt/milsurp/vz5257.html

 

[Tamara]

I saw a Type 38 Arisaka converted to 7.62x39 by the ChiComs at the last local gun show for the princely sum of $135. I was sorely tempted...

 

[ACP230]

A mini-Mauser in 7.62 X39 was imported for a while. They were carbine-sized with a action that looked like a M98 had been left in the dryer too long.

Gun Parts Corp was selling barreled actions that were the same, or very similar, recently.

Ruger has also made a run of bolt rifles in the caliber. There weren't many made, and they show up infrequently.

 

[Jeff Timm]

ACP230 added, "A mini-Mauser in 7.62 X39 was imported for a while. They were carbine-sized with a action that looked like a M98 had been left in the dryer too long."

They called it the "Finn Cub" and ammo was rare and expensive, but the guns were under $100.

Just before GCA 1968 as I recall. Made by some strange foreign outfit call Sako. It wasn't even Japanese, it was from somewhere near Russia!

A little bit afterward as I recall, Sako became a supplier for FN and Browning.

Geoff
Who has been around a while.

 

[Destructo6]

The Czech Vz-58, which looks like an AK, but is not. Pretty neat, it has a bolt hold open, tilting bolt, and is striker fired.

A semi version is made in the US by Ohio Ordnance under the name Vz-2000. Not cheap at $1200, but pretty cool.

 

[KaceCoyote]

Charles Daily I think makes a mauser bases 7.62x39mm action.

 

[B27]

The CZ 527 in 7.62x39 is selling as fast as CZ can make them-



There is also that Enfileld conversion that uses AK mags but I can't remember the link.

 

[Vitamin G]

Nice rifle


Time for new shoes, eh?

 

[B27]

I like to think of them as "classic".

 

[BryanP]

There's an Australian company making Enfields that fire 7.62x39. I pasted the image earlier but now it seems to be not working. Just in case, you can read about it here -

http://www.lawranceordnance.com/new/rifle-m10.html

 

[Okiecruffler]

You can get a contender barrel in 7.62X38. I want one badly.

 

[PAC 762]

I'm suprised no one mentioned the AR-15.

I also saw an add for chamber inserts to convert enfields to 762x39.

 

[chevrofreak]

http://www.eabco.com/sale8.html

 

[Gabe]

Is that a good idea? The Russian 7.62 is a little bigger than Nato version.

 

[Tamara]

Is that a good idea? The Russian 7.62 is a little bigger than Nato version.

Yes and no.

I believe that early Ruger 7.62x39 rifles had .308 bores and had bazillions of rounds of Chinese and Russki ammo fired through them without catastrophic result. (I also believe that early US commercial 7.62x39 ammo had .308 bullets that rattled down the bores of SKS's and AK's.)

I'm not real keen on chamber inserts for high-pressure rifle ammo in general, however...

 

[LAK]

Those CZ 527s are very neat and trim little rifles. Now, a scaled-down SMLE chambered for the 7.62x39 would be very neat too!

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

those VZ-58 are tailor made for lefties like me.


look at the safety. it's only on the right side.

 

[atek3]

(I also believe that early US commercial 7.62x39 ammo had .308 bullets that rattled down the bores of SKS's and AK's.)

Rattle down the bore, as a figure of speech right? The bullet is .308 and the lands are 0.303 inch. So the bullet will definatly engage the rifling. But the 0.003 gap between the grooves and the bullet may cause gas leakage?

atek3

 

[c_yeager]

Is that a good idea? The Russian 7.62 is a little bigger than Nato version.

So is the 303brit. The enfield and AK both use identical bullet diameters (.311). The US and by proxy NATO uses .308. Apparently the Europeans and Americans had a different concept of what 7.62mm actually means.

 

[Tamara]

atek3,

Rattle down the bore, as a figure of speech right?

Yes.



c_yeager,

So is the 303brit. The enfield and AK both use identical bullet diameters (.311). The US and by proxy NATO uses .308. Apparently the Europeans and Americans had a different concept of what 7.62mm actually means.

To further confuse things, the .311 .303 is referred to as a 7.7mm in the metric world, while the .311 7.62's are referred to as 7.62's, just like the .308 7.62's. Clear as mud?

 

[rugerfreak]

Handloading data for the 7.5mm French MAS says to use a .308cal bullet----even weird-er.

So what do 7.62mm and 7.5mm precisely translate to in inches from a conversion table???

 

[c_yeager]

7.5 swiss also uses a .308 bullet if i am not mistaken. I guess there is really no rhyme of reason to it at all.

However this has made me decide that the metric system isnt all that usefull since we have to go to English measurments to get ACTUAL size anyways...