keep in mind the new savages including the stevens have switched mag and stock design and aftermarket stocks arent that common yet. i bought a 308 stevens and it had the new stock and then a few months later i bought a savage 110 in 7mm rem and it had the old stock
7mm rem mag or 7mm-08
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yeah that happens: what I will do is replace the recoil pad with a more comfortable one and paint the stock with truck bed liner. Grizzly grip seems like it will work just fine. I am not planning on replacing the stock, just modifying it. Thanks for your advice I appreciate it.
Schleprok62
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snakeman,
Thank you... the 1.5" groups are my average, I know the rifle can do so much better...
When you go looking for your Stevens, just yake a 6" ruller with you... try to find one with the 4 1/4" pillar spacing (just measure the screws). then you have a world of aftermarker stocks... should you one day decide to go that route.
Thank you... the 1.5" groups are my average, I know the rifle can do so much better...
When you go looking for your Stevens, just yake a 6" ruller with you... try to find one with the 4 1/4" pillar spacing (just measure the screws). then you have a world of aftermarker stocks... should you one day decide to go that route.
guninthewater
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Why did this have to devolve into another hunting ethics thread? 
Anyone that's been around the Rifle Country forum for any length of time has seen this as often as the "9mm vs. .45 ACP" thread on the Handguns forum. Let's just talk about 7mm rifles, OK?
Anyone that's been around the Rifle Country forum for any length of time has seen this as often as the "9mm vs. .45 ACP" thread on the Handguns forum. Let's just talk about 7mm rifles, OK?Omnivore
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The 7 mag and the '08 are are both excellent cartridges, more so due to the wide selection of 7 mm bullets.
I got my son a Ruger in 280 Remington (AKA 7 mm Remington Express) and we're loving it. It's essentially a necked-down '06 case. The 280 has a bit more oomph than the '08 too. He uses it for the Boomershoot-- 4" to 7" exploding targets at 385 to 700 yards.
His factory rifle, with handloads, will shoot well under one MOA in slow-fire, and it's pure poison on deer.
I got my son a Ruger in 280 Remington (AKA 7 mm Remington Express) and we're loving it. It's essentially a necked-down '06 case. The 280 has a bit more oomph than the '08 too. He uses it for the Boomershoot-- 4" to 7" exploding targets at 385 to 700 yards.
His factory rifle, with handloads, will shoot well under one MOA in slow-fire, and it's pure poison on deer.
Agreed. This is the reason I left another forum-lack of respect for members, and constant flaming/being VERY disrespectful. Whether or not he made the shot, his abilities, etc., should just be. I respect people who have codes of ethics and codes of safety which they adhere to, but it is much better when they convey their feelings in a more effective (and polite) way. Back to the meat-and-potatoes-the things that go BOOM!!
627PCFan
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Ballistics make the 7mm remmy win over the 08 at 400+yrds. If I were you I would be more worried about decision making than Ballistic Coefficient
nyresq
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Find a used .260 and keep the flat trajectory of the mag and the light kick of the 08....
A .260 will take any north american game except the big bears, and even then with good shot placement and a reasonable distance all but the biggest of bears could be taken with a .260 if need be. For whitetails and anything smaller then elk the 7mm mag is overkill. and talking about ballistics of a whitetail shot at 600 yards is just plain careless and stupid... if you are taking 600 yard shots at game then you need to work on your stalking and tracking skills more.
If you are looking for a long distance target gun, the 08 runs out of steam past 700 yards, and the magnum hurts too much to sit and fire 100 rounds at a sitting...
A .260 will take any north american game except the big bears, and even then with good shot placement and a reasonable distance all but the biggest of bears could be taken with a .260 if need be. For whitetails and anything smaller then elk the 7mm mag is overkill. and talking about ballistics of a whitetail shot at 600 yards is just plain careless and stupid... if you are taking 600 yard shots at game then you need to work on your stalking and tracking skills more.
If you are looking for a long distance target gun, the 08 runs out of steam past 700 yards, and the magnum hurts too much to sit and fire 100 rounds at a sitting...
s2brutus
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Well, since everyone is throwing a ton of dust in the air already......
How about a 7x57?
How about a 7x57?
Shawnee
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The 7x57 is not only a classic cartridge but also an emminently useful one for this country too.
s2brutus
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I agree, Shawnee.
In fact, I think it's just about one of the most ideal cartridges of all time. It is to all 7mm's what .30-'06 is to all .30 cal.'s - the granddaddy.
In fact, I think it's just about one of the most ideal cartridges of all time. It is to all 7mm's what .30-'06 is to all .30 cal.'s - the granddaddy.
Ridgerunner665
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I like the 7mm-08 too, its a great lil rouind...but since you mentioned your wife shooting it...I'm going to recommend the 260 Rem.
EDITED TO ADD: Shawnee is right...don't overlook the 7x57...its ballistic numbers don't do it justice...elephants have been killed with that round.
EDITED TO ADD: Shawnee is right...don't overlook the 7x57...its ballistic numbers don't do it justice...elephants have been killed with that round.
Shawnee
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"the granddaddy."
LOL ! That's a fact! In fact, I remember reading somewhere that if political winds had blown a bit differently the U.S. Army might have gone to the 7x57 and the .30-03/.30-06 would not have been developed. Don't know if that's true or not but our GIs had a healthy respect for it when they faced it during the S/A war.
At a large conference for Hunter Safety Instructors some years ago I met a somewhat older fellow who had been shooting coyotes and mulies around his home in South Dakota with a 7x57 ever since he could remember. He said he had long settled on the 139gr. bullet loaded to 100-150fps or so below the listed maximums. He claimed that bullet seemed to be perfectly matched to that speed because it's performance was the absolute textbook "mushroom" and he said it was simply devastating on the game he hunted. He said he had shot one Elk with it using - I think he said - a 154gr. bullet - and it flattened the Elk. I don't think he said the range was overly long - maybe 200-250 yds. Still pretty impressive.
LOL ! That's a fact! In fact, I remember reading somewhere that if political winds had blown a bit differently the U.S. Army might have gone to the 7x57 and the .30-03/.30-06 would not have been developed. Don't know if that's true or not but our GIs had a healthy respect for it when they faced it during the S/A war.
At a large conference for Hunter Safety Instructors some years ago I met a somewhat older fellow who had been shooting coyotes and mulies around his home in South Dakota with a 7x57 ever since he could remember. He said he had long settled on the 139gr. bullet loaded to 100-150fps or so below the listed maximums. He claimed that bullet seemed to be perfectly matched to that speed because it's performance was the absolute textbook "mushroom" and he said it was simply devastating on the game he hunted. He said he had shot one Elk with it using - I think he said - a 154gr. bullet - and it flattened the Elk. I don't think he said the range was overly long - maybe 200-250 yds. Still pretty impressive.
It's funny how things have come full circle. It started with the 7x57 which was modified to give us the 30-06 which in turned was shortened to give us the .308. The .308 is necked down to give us the 7mm-08 which is really the ballistic twin to the 7x57.
7mag and 7-08 are both great cartridges and should suffice. That said, I shoot a 6.5x55. Those 140 grain 6.5 cartridges have a very high ballistic coefficient, so I would take a hard look at the .260. I actually have been toying with the idea taking a 7mag and necking it down to 6.5.
MMCSRET
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7 Mag necked down to 6.5 is the 264 Winchester magnum. 3 years older than the 7mm Remington Magnum.
What do yall think of a 6.8spc. I love the ar platform and have been shooting a multimatch for a few years now. To have a deer rifle in the small efficient platform would more than suffice for any shooter with virtually no recoil. Also, olympic arms which is my favorite ar15 maker offers the wssm calibers in this platform.
nyresq
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AR platform??? then absolutley go with a .260!! DPMS make a nice rig in a .260 with a stainless heavy barrel.
rbernie
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I think the world of 6.8SPC, and it's my standard deer/hog round. I have a number of AR15's in 6.8SPC. However, it's not the best 400+ yard deer round, if that's really still a consideration.
Do a search here for 6.8SPC and you'll uncover a TON of prior dicussion on the round.
The AR10 platforms are nice, but they are considerably heavier than an equivilent AR15 in 6.8SPC or 7.62x39.
exactly. i know it is a wonderful caliber especially since it is available in the ar platform. Like I said I can shoot the 06' out to 400 confidently so that is no issue my typical shot ranges from 50 to 300yds so I feel confident that the 6.8 would be just great. However my spending limit is quite low and the best deal I have found is rock river arms at 475 for the complete upper with the bolt and charging handle
s2brutus
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6.5 Grendel - a modified 7.62x39 case necked down to 6.5mm/.264 cal.snakeman said:
Warning: They ain't cheap.
Outperforms the 6.8 SPC in all respects. Still supersonic at over 1,000 yards. Retains more energy at long range than a .308. Would make a HELL of a general purpose machine gun round - but that's another topic entirely.
http://www.65Grendel.com
http://www.alexanderarms.com
I will have to wait and save up a while I guess. The stevens 7mm-08 still seems to prevail due to the price and quality of the firearm. But its not like deer season starts anytime soon lol just have to wait things out and see what I can pull out of my pocket in the future. Do any of you know anything about a bwk 92 sporter? I have one and saw some selling for upwards of 1700 bucks! Wow! I couldn't believe that the gun I shot my first deer with when I was 7 would ever be worth that much.
rbernie
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Well, not so much. The 6.5 retains better energy past 300 yards, but inside of 300 yards it's a real horserace. The 6.8SPC is much better supported i nthe market, with multiple barrel, magazine, upper, and ammo manufacturers.
But aside from all of that, IMO neither the 6.5 or the 6.8SPC is really suitable for deer-size game at 400+ yards. If a 400+ hunting capability is really on the menu, then I'd pick an AR10 in 260 if a semi-auto is on the agenda. If 400+ yard hunting performance is NOT on the menu, then I'd pick a 6.8SPC based upon market support.
But frankly, there's not much that you can't do with a 260 or 7mm08 in a Stevens 200 platform.
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