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Artofgolf
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I would suggest the Hornady 125g HAP .356 as one you should try if accuracy is key.
Good luck in your matches
Good luck in your matches
Thanks I'll put that on my list to consider .I would suggest the Hornady 125g HAP .356 as one you should try if accuracy is key.
Good luck in your matches
1SOW
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I agree with the HAP suggestion, but knowing what kind of shooting league could improve the selection choices: Bullseye, Action Shooting, Steel, .....?
LiveLife
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I range tested RMR's new thick plated 9mm 124 gr RN bullets yesterday with my Glock 22 and KKM conversion barrel using WST and got 1.5" smallest 5-shot group at 25 yards.liscomb20 said:
Yes, Hornady HAP has shown to be a very accurate bullet but if you don't need competitive bullseye match level accuracy, the new RMR bullets are one of the more accurate bullets I have shot the past 20 years at much lower price point.
Below is a picture of target shot groups I tested using WST and BE-86.
BTW, I shot Montana Gold jacketed bullets as my preferred match bullets but if I were to shoot matches again, I would definitely consider using RMR bullets after verified range test of smallest shot group of slightly larger than 1" at 25 yard using 40S&W 180 gr RNFP/BE-86) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9646469#post9646469
It's in indoor range league . Poking holes in paper range from 7 yds to 25yds
1SOW
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The RMR bullet bds tested sounds promising at those ranges.
I've had good results with the Berry's 124 HBRN-TP as well, but haven't tried WST with them. I use VV n320 and IMR SR7625 for many thousands of these bullets.
Another very good bullet out to 25 yards (my only experiences except a few comp. stages at 30 & 35 yards) is the Zero 125gr JHP with the traditional curved ogive. This bullet is harder to find as competitors grab them as fast as they become available. This is my preferred bulk bullet.
They also have a newer conical nose 125 JHP that I haven't tried.
These three are also fully metal encapsulated as some indoor ranges require.
I've had good results with the Berry's 124 HBRN-TP as well, but haven't tried WST with them. I use VV n320 and IMR SR7625 for many thousands of these bullets.
Another very good bullet out to 25 yards (my only experiences except a few comp. stages at 30 & 35 yards) is the Zero 125gr JHP with the traditional curved ogive. This bullet is harder to find as competitors grab them as fast as they become available. This is my preferred bulk bullet.
They also have a newer conical nose 125 JHP that I haven't tried.
These three are also fully metal encapsulated as some indoor ranges require.
What was your recipe for the wst and 124gr rmr thick plated cause I just ordered some today based on your shot group if I could get that at 25 yrds I would be more then happy .I range tested RMR's new thick plated 9mm 124 gr RN bullets yesterday with my Glock 22 and KKM conversion barrel using WST and got 1.5" smallest 5-shot group at 25 yards.
Yes, Hornady HAP has shown to be a very accurate bullet but if you don't need competitive bullseye match level accuracy, the new RMR bullets are one of the more accurate bullets I have shot the past 20 years at much lower price point.
Below is a picture of target shot groups I tested using WST and BE-86.
BTW, I shot Montana Gold jacketed bullets as my preferred match bullets but if I were to shoot matches again, I would definitely consider using RMR bullets after verified range test of smallest shot group of slightly larger than 1" at 25 yard using 40S&W 180 gr RNFP/BE-86) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9646469#post9646469
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moxie
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Have you tried any cast lead bullets?
The 124 gr. "Small ball" from Missouri bullet Co. is a lot cheaper and pretty darn accurate.
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=51&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
Or the 125 SWC:
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=172&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
The 124 gr. "Small ball" from Missouri bullet Co. is a lot cheaper and pretty darn accurate.
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=51&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
Or the 125 SWC:
http://www.missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=172&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
I've been using Berry's 115gr RNDS (usually from TJ Conevera), on top of 4.6gr of Win 231. The Beretta just gobbles them up for IDPA and general indoor use.
I found them a bit light for plates, though, so 124gr cousins are on the menu when I get a chance to work them up.
I found them a bit light for plates, though, so 124gr cousins are on the menu when I get a chance to work them up.
But can you push those with wst. That's all I have and that's all I could find here and I was lucky to find that even and how much is shipping because the thick plated 124 gr from rmr was 42.50 with shipping .
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LiveLife
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Disclaimer: Following post lists loads not currently published by the powder manufacturer. Use them at your own risk.
If you need to make power factor of 125+, you may need to use higher powder charges like 4.2-4.3 gr. I would chrono the loads until I got around 1050 fps.
I used 4.0 gr of WST loaded to 1.160" but it was my initial test load and I plan to test higher powder charges like 4.1-4.2 gr.liscomb20 said:
If you need to make power factor of 125+, you may need to use higher powder charges like 4.2-4.3 gr. I would chrono the loads until I got around 1050 fps.
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Dudedog
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I have had good luck with Missouri cones in my XD subcombact. I have not used them with WST however.
Missouri shipping is $14. They can ship up to 3000 9mm 125gr bullets for that price.
Normally they ship four of thier boxes in a MFRP but if you call they can but 3 of thier boxes into 2, so you could for example get 1500 of one type and 1500 of another type shpped for the $14. They are great to do business with.
They are offering thier lead bullets in a coated from now as well.
I really liked RMRs thick plated bullets in .45, I have not shot the ones I loaded in 9mm yet (tomorrow I hope!)
Both RMR and Missoure offer THR members a 5% discount..
Seee this for the discount code.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=760272
Missouri shipping is $14. They can ship up to 3000 9mm 125gr bullets for that price.
Normally they ship four of thier boxes in a MFRP but if you call they can but 3 of thier boxes into 2, so you could for example get 1500 of one type and 1500 of another type shpped for the $14. They are great to do business with.
They are offering thier lead bullets in a coated from now as well.
I really liked RMRs thick plated bullets in .45, I have not shot the ones I loaded in 9mm yet (tomorrow I hope!)
Both RMR and Missoure offer THR members a 5% discount..
Seee this for the discount code.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=760272
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Had to throw in on this one sinces it's .40 and Glock. One of my favorites I use is my Gen2 G22. Stock barrel, adjustable rear sight, front frame buffer and 20# recoil spring to handle top end .40. Went to TW-25 grease... liberally in the slide.
Done nothing else to the gun except run it on the wet side and stiffened up the spring. Went to the higher spring only because I wasn't loading mid range, and was flinging brass 20 ft.
Now drops it in a nice 4 tf circle about 3 feet away.
Pattern is great. Using 7.0 gns AutoComp with MontanaGold 165 gn JHPs.. Factory calls for 6.5 to 7.1 gns powder.
Pattern shown is 30 rounds at 25 yds, benched on this most recent powder for me... the AutoComp.
I am pleased with this powder.
Stock trigger. Didn't (?) take any tools this day (about 2 weeks ago) and couldn't adjust sight, but this is 30 rds.
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Done nothing else to the gun except run it on the wet side and stiffened up the spring. Went to the higher spring only because I wasn't loading mid range, and was flinging brass 20 ft.
Now drops it in a nice 4 tf circle about 3 feet away.
Pattern is great. Using 7.0 gns AutoComp with MontanaGold 165 gn JHPs.. Factory calls for 6.5 to 7.1 gns powder.
Pattern shown is 30 rounds at 25 yds, benched on this most recent powder for me... the AutoComp.
I am pleased with this powder.
Stock trigger. Didn't (?) take any tools this day (about 2 weeks ago) and couldn't adjust sight, but this is 30 rds.
moxie
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Yes, you can "push" the 124 gr. cast bullets. I run them at 1120fps average on the chrono. That pretty much replicates many of the hotter 124 gr. factory loads. No leading, no problems, shoots straight.
My favorite jacketed bullet on a cost vs. performance basis is currently the PD 124 gr JHP which I've bought in 10K lots the last few years. It's a great practice round that gives up little in performance when loaded well. PD does let 1% to 2% per 1K rounds through lately that are obviously too light or heavy. For most shooting it wouldn't make a difference; none if you sort them out.
My second favorite on the cost vs. performance scale is the traditional #162 Zero 125 gr JHP, or the sister bullet in 38 Super if I can find it. I have not been able to find their newer conical JHPs to test, yet.
My last favorites would be the Hornday offerings (HAP or XTP) are both supremely accurate bullets, but too pricey to shoot often.
While others have had good experiences with plated bullets, I have not when it comes to extreme accuracy. YMMV, possibly, with some of the thicker plated rounds but I'm not convinced yet.
Even the PD bullet I listed is capable of average ~1.5" 25 yard 10-round groups from some of my more accurate 9mms, using mixed multi-time fired range brass, with the best cherry picked 10-round groups hovering closer to ~1" with once fired, same head stamp brass. I could readily find 5 round groups around <=0.5" if I chose, but it wouldn't be the true picture of what the load can do.
My second favorite on the cost vs. performance scale is the traditional #162 Zero 125 gr JHP, or the sister bullet in 38 Super if I can find it. I have not been able to find their newer conical JHPs to test, yet.
My last favorites would be the Hornday offerings (HAP or XTP) are both supremely accurate bullets, but too pricey to shoot often.
While others have had good experiences with plated bullets, I have not when it comes to extreme accuracy. YMMV, possibly, with some of the thicker plated rounds but I'm not convinced yet.
Even the PD bullet I listed is capable of average ~1.5" 25 yard 10-round groups from some of my more accurate 9mms, using mixed multi-time fired range brass, with the best cherry picked 10-round groups hovering closer to ~1" with once fired, same head stamp brass. I could readily find 5 round groups around <=0.5" if I chose, but it wouldn't be the true picture of what the load can do.
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Some good shooting there. I was loading max 7.0gr Autocomp for 165gr RNFP plated bullets, and had to go and search for my brass. The starting load for plated is 6.3gr and that is what I load now. The load is accurate, but I have not tested it at 25yds yet. Looks like the HP is loaded same COL as FP, with a resulting lower pressure with more powder. Sorry OP, back to 9mm again.
It almost sounds like the majority of people here like the precision delta bullets .Maybe I'm missing something here that's why I like this forum makes you try something new that you probably wouldn't on your own
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If you do use MBC don't forget The High Road 5% discount. PM me if you don't have the code.
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