9mm Carbine for Piglets; What Ammo?

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I have this friend.

Suppose the guy has a lease that is just overrun with with feral hogs, a lot of of them piglets from 20-100 lbs.

Suppose the feller likes to walk around the lease ever now & then with a trusty HiPoint 9mm carbine slung over his shoulder while he's loading up his feeders or changing out the SD card in his game camera. He just got the HiPoint and although it is ugly as a mud fence, he likes it.

If he got a shot at a piglet or two (he likes piglet on the barbecue), what 9mm round do you think would be the best for putting the piglet down. Assume that my friend can hit what he's aiming at.

Choices:
147 grain FMJ @ 990 FPS
124 grain FMJ "NATO"
125 grain JHP at 1250 fps
135 grain hydrashock JHP at 1050 fps

Or any other recommendation?
 
On an up to 100 lb pig, any hollow point or solid/soft point would work. I don't like round nose bullets, though, not enough tissue damage. A 100 lb pig is not hard to penetrate. I've done full penetration with a .38 special in my trap on more'n a few shooting 158 +P JHPs. It's the big ones you need the cannons for. :D

Okay, I'd choose, out of your list, the 135 Hydrashocks or the 125 JHPs. Ball is worthless and cruel. Be sure, also, you know the kill zone. Shoot the shoulder, not behind it as you would with a deer. You start getting hogs much over 100 lbs and a 9mm carbine is inadequate with ANYthing. I wouldn't shoot a pig with a 9 if a JHP wouldn't get full penetration and I'd doubt that would happen on a 150-200 lber.
 
I heard success stories with federal's 9bple +p+ 115gr for hunting with the 995. I am running it in my 9mm handgun and my 9mm carbine now because I can afford to practice with it and keep a good amount of it. It's $15/50 from cheaperthandirt and has gotten nothing but glowing reviews.

It's not HST btw, it's Hi-Shok...not Hydrashok. I think it's plenty viable for SD or hunting. Check it out.
 
Well, just about any bullet would work. I would stager the clip, for instance, first shot 115grain Win silvertip or Corbon +p load, next shot 124 FMJ or similar lrn / metal case bullet, then another Corbon or Silvertip.

Good luck. 9mm out of a carbine is a great round for small / medium sized game. The larger / older porkers would need to be taken in fairly open ground so follow up shots are easier to manage. That being said, shot placement is everything. Learn about hog anatomy, as it is different than deer, the vitals are not where they are "supposed to be". Good luck.
 
Thanks y'all.

MCGunner and mbt 2001, the points about hog anatomy and shot placement are well taken. I've been hunting Texas hogs for about 15 years now and the hands at the old company ranch where I took my first made sure us Houston yuppies knew about placement. Anybody just lurking on this thread for general knowledge should take note.

My usual armament for piggies is my Ruger M77 in .25-06 or my Marlin 1895 in .45-70. I'm just getting too lazy to be walking around with a big old cannon slung over my shoulder and trying to juggle a couple of 40 lb sacks of corn at the same time (4 wheeler is out of the question- take a wild guess...). I'd like to use a handgun but I just don't get in enough practice with the .45 Blackhawk or either of my S&W .44 mags anymore.

FYI, my wife takes pigs with her AR, no problem, she's got shot placement down.
 
The 995 is just fun. Do you have the stock sling on it? I have been looking into getting a nicer sling that can maybe let me hold it in "ready shoot" position. I may also get the mag pouch for it.
 
My usual armament for piggies is my Ruger M77 in .25-06 or my Marlin 1895 in .45-70. I'm just getting too lazy to be walking around with a big old cannon slung over my shoulder and trying to juggle a couple of 40 lb sacks of corn at the same time
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LOL I just got back from checkin' and rebaitin' my trap. I know why I, personally, don't normally use the dirt bike to do that, price of gasoline for the truck to haul it down there. I normally ride a streetbike down there figurin' if there's a pig in it, I'll come back for the truck. I do have a flat bed trailer for my GoldWing, though, and use it a lot. This time, however, I wanted to put a pressure plate in it that I made from plywood to trigger the door. My GoldWing awaits starter parts and it's too much to strap on the SV to ride down there, so I drove the wife's 40 mpg toyota. Man, you gotta get by at 3.35 a gallon.:banghead: That old GL1100 is my two wheeled truck. I need to get that starter back together.

I don't dump 40 lbs in the thing, normally about 15-20 lbs suffices and I tote it down there in a plastic bag inside a day pack. But, when I walk in, I usually tote my .45/.410 contender and heavy handloads involving a 300 grain hornady XTP at 1200 fps. Sometimes I'll wear a .357. But, I do have some long gun options like a folding stocked SKS or a coach gun with a slug in one barrel and shot for the snakes in the other. I hunt with a Remington M7 in .308, 7 lbs with a scope on it, nice. :D But, I know what ya mean about the corn and totin' a big rifle, too. I just carry my contender in a shoulder holster so it's out of the way, but ready. I can take a hog out to 50 yards off hand with irons if given the opportunity. Not a big chance I'm going to see one down there in that mess much further than 50 yards.
 
Hi there conwict, I haven't put the OEM sling on it yet. I'm thinking about changing out the the stock to one of those Beretta-lookalikes, I think they're made by ATI.

MCgunner, my problem is that my lease is up in Corrigan (near Lufkin) and I live down here in the NW Houston 'burbs. If I can get up there twice a month during the off-deer-season I'm doing good, so I try to make sure my feeder is full and keep a full charged battery in it every time I go up there. The guys on the lease who live closer (Conroe, Willis) have set traps and I don't think they bait with more than a half 5 gallon bucketful at a time.

I envy you for being what sounds like fairly close to where you hunt. And that GoldWing is one fine iron horse.

I've got a Baikal 12 ga. coach gun and have brought it up there but good golly, the recoil from a 1 oz slug is just a little too much. In case your're thinking "what a wimp" this is coming from somebody who shoots Mosin-Nagant rifles no problemo.

I've got to get back to practicing with the handguns, that's all.
 
Coach guns were meant to be bought in 20 gauge... IMO. A lot of time when recoil hurts the stock is too long / the gun isn't "fitted" properly. Food for thought.

Again, use the hi point carbine, 9mm coming out of that length of barrel are no joke. Remember the .44-40 was used EXTENSIVELY to hunt / defend in the "old west" and it is very similar to a .44 special round. Coming out of a carbine those pistol rounds can pack a wallop.


P.S. The 44-40 has killed more game, big and small, and more men, good and evil, than any other round.

Or so to saying goes. (can't post anything about a 44-40 unless you say the above PS somewhere)
 
With 9mm I would focus on +P loads, if you load your own (or if you can find a factory load, I couldn't), I'd go with hardcast WC or SWC, if not, get any quality HP(of the 125 or 147gr variety) loaded hot.
 
Someone posted the other day about handloads out of the 995 using slow burning powder. Actually it may not have been the other day, and it may have been on TFL...but google it. Very interesting stuff, makes me wish I hand-loaded. He got impressive numbers, like 1700fps. Love to know the fpe.
 
Also, about the stock, there is a pic on THR right now of a new stock that will be coming soon, from HP. Personally I like my factory stock fine, but if it isn't your thing maybe hold out; I suspect they'd replace it with a new one for either free or a nominal fee.
 
Someone posted the other day about handloads out of the 995 using slow burning powder. Actually it may not have been the other day, and it may have been on TFL...but google it. Very interesting stuff, makes me wish I hand-loaded. He got impressive numbers, like 1700fps. Love to know the fpe.
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Hmm, I'd be interested in that just for the knowledge. "Fast" powder in 9mm is Unique. LOL I shoot 6.5 grains behind a 115 for a carry load and it's white hot. I don't know how fast it'd be out of a carbine, though, still a pretty fast powder. Problem with the slow burn powders is bulk, they're bulky, and you only have so much room in a 9mm case. That 6.5 grains of Unique is a very compressed load. You couldn't possibly put enough 2400 or W296 in there to do much good, I wouldn't think. You need a big revolver case for those powders. I get nearly 1900 fps out of my 20" Rossi .357 carbine with a 158 SWC pushed by 14.5 grains 2400 and something like 1470 fps (roughly, I can't remember the exact) out of a 6.5" Blackhawk. That's a good bit of velocity just on the extra barrel and not typical of 9x19. But, you have the case capacity for that powder in .357, no way to fit a good load of it in 9x19.

So, anyway, I'm wondering what he's using for a "slow" powder. I'm not real familiar with a lot of the newer powders, sorta set on my loads and powders after so many years of handloading.

BTW, if I wanted a light weight carbine for hogs, that Rossi only weighs about 6 lbs and has a good thump to it. I've taken one doe at 80 yards with it, don't use it much, but it's a fun range gun. I adapted a ghost ring sight to it which has graduated click adjustable elevation. Makes it easy to adjust for light .38 loads, Small game or medium with the same rifle, cool concept, eh?
 
Oh, BTW, I've hunted up in that neighborhood, near Dibol on Alabama Creek WMA. GREAT small game there. And, yeah, I know all about slugs in a light 12 double. I have a 28", but light 12 double I got in 71 at Cooks Discount in Bryan when I was at Aggieland. I shot a few slugs out of it once, pretty accurate, but I'm not real sure how I'd hold up to it. LOL! Couple of shots and I had enough. The coach gun is a 20 and is a pussycat by comparison and pretty accurate at 50 yards. You can actually bench rest it and it don't kick too bad at all. That's sorta why I wanted it in 20, knew what I'd get in 12, LOL!

My place is 25 miles from my driveway, so it's just a good hour get away for me to run down there and take care of things. I also live just across the street from the placid blue waters of Lavaca Bay and just got my boat back ready to fish not long ago, new trailer under it. I have boat ramps 1/2 mile in one direction and about a mile in the other from me. Good place to live for an outdoorsman. Cable TV made the wife happy. LOL She's from Baytown, but likes the water and it's a lot cleaner down here despite Alcoa and Formosa Plastics.
 
I vote for the Hornady 147 gr. XTP. Hornady loads them in their Custom Handgun line and the TAP line. The loads are identical. Black Hills also has the same load. Black Hills comes in a 50-round box, though, so I suggest going that route.

The reason I'm voting for the XTP is because it doesn't expand as much as the other premium hollowpoints, but it still expands reliably.

I carry 147 gr. TAP in my P229R when out at the lease.
 
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