9mm in the 1911 Platform

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Thinking of getting a 9mm in a 1911 style gun. I have a Browning Hi Power, but I love the trigger on my old Colt Gold Cup much better. I'm looking at the Springfield Armory PX9130LP, but don't know much about 9mm in these style guns. Are the internal parts the same between the two guns? And is the SA I'm looking at a good choice? Thanks for any replies.
 
Barrel, extractor, ejector, Firing pin, magazine are different. Everything else is normal. Oh, the slide's breechface is cut to fit the 9mm too. Cheapest way to a 9mm 1911 is a Rock Island 38 Super and buy a new barrel.
 
Depends on what age your Gold Cup is as to how closely it would map to another 1911. Early Gold Cups used wide steel "kidney" triggers with sear depressors and sear depressor springs to avoid inertia doubling due to the heavy trigger. These triggers are wider than the trigger found in the Springfield Armory models.

Later guns dropped the sear depressor, sear depressor spring, and wide trigger, but added the Series '80 firing pin safety. That safety is not on the SA gun.

The SA gun also has non-standard parts, specifically a mainspring housing (ILS) that can be used to lock the gun. This can be easily replaced with standard 1911 parts.

Another option for you to review is the STI Trojan 5.0. This is a very nice shooting pistol available in 9x19 that has no unusual safeties or sear depressor. You can choose sights and finishes with the Trojan, and the pricing is comparable to the SA gun. Take a look at www.stiguns.com/ .
 
That's good to hear. I kinda figured those parts were different. The trigger parts are what I was wondering about. Just in case these new guns don't have the same "feel" as my Gold Cup. Bought it used in '82. Nobody has them in stock to handle one. I'd have to order it. Just want a heads up in case I order one and don't really like the feel off the trigger and I'm stuck with it.
 
I have a Springfield Target Loaded 9mm. good gun, but for a litlle more $ i would recommend the STI Trojan. my Loaded had a bit of creep in the trigger, so i replaced the group with a C&S Ultra Match set. now it's alot better.
If you can handle any of the Springfield Loaded models, it'll be the same.

here's a pic of mine.

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i also have a 9mm EMP
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and a STI Edge 9mm
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of what i own i would rank them as follows:
1 - STI Edge (soft shooting, great trigger, accurate & hi capacity)
2 - EMP (daily CCW)
3 - Loaded
 
My 1927 Argentine 1911A1 will fire six different cartridges, four of them based on the 9mm rim size. To convert to the 9mm/38 Super/.41 AE/7.63 Mauser cartridges, I had to buy a new Colt 9mm slide and the proper parts to complete it. I had a BoMar adjustable rear sight put on it to adjust for the different cartridges and the appropriate front sight. Changing barrels, bushings, recoil springs and magazines is required for each changeover.

The frame required a 9mm ejector and slide stop while the .45 slide had to be milled to allow the new ejector to work. That involved narrowing the firing pin housing and the firing pin stop on the left side. If you buy a 38 Super 1911, the same work will be required on any new slide you buy to convert to .45ACP. You'll also need a .45 slide stop and magazines.
 
I have had several 9mm 1911s; a Colt Combat Commander, several Kimber Stainless models, a Springfield Loaded, and a Kimber Aegis. I love the full-size 1911 in 9mm, and with the Leatham/Springfield magazines feel that it's quite reliable and useful.

I shoot my Springfield more than any other pistol I own.
 
It's a lot more $, but Les Baer does a 9mm PII. For about the same $ as the SA Dan Wesson does the 9mm. Fusion also does them for a bit more.

I shoot mine more than any other gun.

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My Springfield had a tough trigger pull when new, but $40 to the gunsmith got it fixed. For that he corrected the hammer and sear engagement angles, polished the surfaces, and tweaked the sear spring for a 3.5 lb pull. There is more work in the gun than that, but the trigger was not a huge job.

My Colt 1991A1 is a nicer gun, well customized, but they do not make 9mms any more. Maybe they will get smart like the other manufacturers are gradually learning.
 
I too am waiting for the Taurus PT1911 in 9mm. I've been reading a lot of good posts about them on the various forums.
 
What's with the Para Ordnance pistols? Do they use a wider frame to fit more rounds in? Another reason I like my Colt is I have small hands and the gun just "fits" better than the Browning. To be honest, I don't like all the fancy cuts on the slides that a lot of manufacturers put on their guns. Just a plain jane 1911 with a good trigger. But I would like stainless but I'm not set on that. I live about 40 miles from Bud's Gun Shop and that's where I get most of my guns at. I could have sworn they had Dan Wesson, but I don't see it on the website now. I use the website to go by. Last time I was there a few months ago, they were pretty much wiped out of most auto loaders except for the high dollar guns.
 
If you have small hands and don't mind spending the big bucks, the Nighthawk Custom Lady Hawk is a very, very nice pistol. And I hear they only put the model name rollmark on by request now. ;)
It's a Richard Heine design and they will custom build it to your specs.

I've got one of their Talon IIs and they really are worth the money.
 
Well, scratch Para.
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Oh please dont do that until you have a look at the PARA USA (formerly Para Ordnance) LTC Lightweight in 9mm. It is a single stack frame that has 8 round mags. I have one and it is a great gun to shoot. It is extremely accurate and recoil is almost none. I now have roughly 1200 rounds through it and have only had two failure to load situations.....and both were with reloads. No problems with factory ammo at all. The LTC is a 4" length gun.....perfect for carry. Here are a few pics of mine.

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and after I changed out the grips
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in my Milt Sparks Versa max 2 IWB holster
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in my Tucker Gunleather HF1 OWB Holster
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9 shots from 15 yards freehand
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I'm curious as to see what kind of price point they'll come out with.
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There's a Taurus 38 Super on Gun Broker for 580 right now.

I see no reason why Taurus would price the 9mm higher than the PT1911. I expect to get one for right around 500.00.

www.rrarms.com already has them listed for $462.18 I never heard of them but that is a price I'd be more than willing to pay. :)

Viva Taurus!
 
I didn't see that Para. When I first looked for them, I typed in Para Ordinance. When I typed in Para USA, I spotted it. That looks like a standard 1911 frame. Good looking gun. Still, I kinda want a full size gun, not a shorter one. For some reason, Bud's can't sell STI, so I have no idea on pricing.
 
Oh please dont do that until you have a look at the PARA USA (formerly Para Ordnance) LTC Lightweight in 9mm. It is a single stack frame that has 8 round mags. I have one and it is a great gun to shoot. It is extremely accurate and recoil is almost none. I now have roughly 1200 rounds through it and have only had two failure to load situations.....and both were with reloads. No problems with factory ammo at all. The LTC is a 4" length gun.....perfect for carry. Here are a few pics of mine.
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That is one beautiful piece! :cool:

What a dramatic difference the grip change-out made. (I likey!) :what:
 
If you want a compact then I would take the EMP, if you want a commander then get a colt lightweight commander, if you want a fullsize then get a Aegis Kimber.

Just my own opinions.
 
Has anybody ever bought a gun from this place: http://www.brazoscustom.com/sti_guns.htm They offer a high performance package for 150 bucks. I actually like the look of the blue STI Trojan. I like the looks of blue but was thinking stainless for as I have a tendency to toss guns in the safe and clean on rainy days. Let's just say I don't treat my guns as safe queens. But I like good triggers. A STI from this place might be a viable option.
 
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