9mm Pistol carbines

[Axel Larson]

Why isn't there a bigger market for them? It allows you to have a rifle chambered in inexpensive ammo that you can find all sorts of self defense ammo for. Also what 9mm carbines are out there other then the sub2000 and the sterling, that 1. is around 400 to 500 or under, 2. has a capacity of at least 20 rounds and 3. does not load in the pistol grip if at all possible but this is not a big deal, I just do not like how it makes the gun look.

 

[451 Detonics]

The Suomi...uses 33 round sticks and 72 round drums...about $600



You also have the PPS 43 in 9mm using 33 round sticks, and the Sterling. Also various HK 94 clones.

I also love my MPA-71, discontinued but a great carbine using Suomi drums...



and my Mech Tech with dedicated lower and 33 round Glock mags...

 

[Axel Larson]

Do any of those take Glock mags? also how much does the pps 43 in 9mm run?

 

[rjrivero]

My 9mm Glock fed AR. Built it with a Lone Wolf Lower and Rock River Upper. Milled and ramped the bolt for the single feed mag. Liked it so much, I put it on a form 1.

 

[Maple_City_Woodsman]

Do any of those take Glock mags? also how much does the pps 43 in 9mm run?

... The ones made out of Gocks do.

I wouldn't even worry about that. Soumi drums are (or at least WERE) dirt stinking cheap.

 

[Carter]

I wish the calico was still around. It looked like a really interesting design to play around with. The shells ejecting right in front of the trigger guard was a little off though.

You could look for a used ruger pc-9 carbine. I had the .40 version and it was a real nice shooter. Sold it though cause I never really shot it any more. A friends sub 2000 in .40 was really nice as well, with better mag availability, interesting design, and still produced for better parts availability.

 

[451 Detonics]

also how much does the pps 43 in 9mm run?

http://militarygunsupply.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1066

My favorite tho is the Mech Tech, I bought the upper used for under $300 and a complete lower for $229. It is lightweight and runs like a dream. Uses the Korean 33 round mags without a hitch.

 

[General Tso]

Masterpiece Arms makes one. Around $500. I hear it's really heavy.

 

[451 Detonics]

Most of the older ones like the Papashaw and Suomi are heavy...like the Thompson they are made of steel and wood, not alloy and plastics...

 

[S. Hill]

Do any of those take Glock mags? also how much does the pps 43 in 9mm run?

Thureon Defense has a new model that accepts Glock mags. Their price point is a little over your $500 budget ($690 for the Glock model) but the receivers are machined from 7075 alum. bar stock, so you're getting what you pay for.

Here's a picture off of their website - www.mycarbine.com

 

[BCRider]

There's the EMF JR carbine as well. I shot one but while it felt nice to shoot I found that some of the blowback gases puffed out through the bolt handle/ejector port and into my eyes around my safety glasses. I can't see shooting it in an actual SD situation where you don't have time to put on your safety gear. Too likely to temporarily blind the shooter with the puff of gas and the particles of any unburnt powder.

Beretta also makes the Storm carbine. Reliable as all get out. But maybe more bucks than you're thinking about.

 

[arizona98tj]

Why isn't there a bigger market for them? It allows you to have a rifle chambered in inexpensive ammo that you can find all sorts of self defense ammo for.

But when all is said and done, you still are shooting handgun rounds for self defense. If I am going to the trouble of carrying a carbine length rifle around for self defense, I'll feed it with rifle cartridges. If I want to shoot inexpensive ammo out of a carbine, I'll grab my M&P 15-22....much cheaper than shooting 9mm or some other handgun cartridge.

For me, a handgun cartridge carbine has no useful purpose.

 

[451 Detonics]

PCC (pistol cartridge carbines) have a very definite place. When it comes to urban conflict with innocents in the area they excel.

1. They pick up enough extra velocity to really take advantage of today's defensive rounds while still limiting over-penetration.

2. They are very low muzzle flash a big plus inside and after dusk.

3. Easy to suppress for not only indoors but a suppressor will keep a meth lab from blowing up with you in it. (ok...I know that one isn't a concern for most of us but you will notice my MPA 71 is set up for an HK style suppressor)

4. They tend to be a very light and compact carbine. Still not my ideal inside a home, no long gun is, but better than some alternatives. If you live in a state that allows SBR's ( like I do) all the better. (I am speaking of the newer models, not the WWII guns)

5. When they use the same ammo and magazine as your handgun it cuts way back on logistics.

6. Recoil and muzzle flash are easily handle by even the young ones in the family, weight normally isn't an issue.

7. Low to almost non-existent recoil makes follow-up shots a breeze.

8. An effective range of 250-300 yards is more than sufficient for non-military and in an urban setting it works well for them as well.

There are many reasons to own a PCC, and I haven't even mentioned the fun factor! Compared to most rifle rounds they are inexpensive to shoot, fun at the range, very accurate, and hard hitting. They will take all manner of game in an emergency. Some like the Kel_Tec can be hidden in a tennis racquet bag. That AR is rather difficult to carry incognito out in public.

One last point...I am not singling out any one individual...this is a comment that has been made hundreds of time... "It is just a pistol caliber". This is true but how many people would get up and continue aggression towards you after receiving 2 or 3 rounds of Cor Bon DPX in the chest? How many would do so after receiving 1 round of ball there? The purpose of the rifle is for long range engagement. It extends the use of the firearm past that of the handgun. A PCC does the same thing...just not quite as far. I have shot mine at 200 yards in competition and hitting my target (a plow disc) was very easy, even at 300 yards connecting is simple. Btw, as we found out, the 7.62X25 FMJ will zip through well casing even at 200 yards. It is my favorite round and when coupled with my CZ 52 in my PPSh-41 is a great do anything combo for urban settings.