9mm Pocket Pistol-Ruger LC9

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I used to have a Keltec P11 which I sold to a friend in need a few years ago. Pretty much been carrying a full sized .40 or 9mm ever since though recently I've been lazy and have been packing a 5 shot .38 snubby.

Kind of wanted to carry something with more capacity and more powerful than a .380. I started looking at pocket 9mms. Looked at replacing the P11 but couldn't find one for a reasonable price. Looked also at the Keltec PF9, Ruger LC9, Kahr etc.

Criteria was something that was reliable and reasonably priced, small enough to carry but comfortable to shoot occasionally. The Ruger LC9 turned out to be a good choice between price, quality and size. I got a very good deal on one that helped sway my choice.

First thing I noticed is that Ruger has come a long way in semi auto pistols since their "P" series. Gone are the days of heavy over engineered clunky pistols. Of course part of that is because Ruger stole the design of LC9 from Keltec and refined it a bit. The LC9 is a nicely finished, good quality pistol. It is a good compromise in size for carry and controlability.

Things I liked about it..
-Nice size, pretty thin and comfortable to carry. Been carrying it for a week stuck in my waistband. Hardly notice it is there.
-7+1 round capacity. 9 round extended mag available
-Good fit and finish
-While the double action trigger is long it is smooth and not as heavy as I expected
-Sights are adjustable and not too bad

Things I didn't like...
-You have to learn the trigger resets or you will short stroke it.
-The dots on the sights are pretty small. They are hard for me to see.
-The grip is short (even with the finger extension). It is uncomfortable to shoot, not so much because of the recoil but because the rough plastic grip tears up my hand.
-You need a tool to take it down. One uses the key, but really, you have to use a tool?

Fixes for the things I didn't like...

-Make the sights more visible by using typewriter correction fluid on them
-Add a bicycle inner tube to the grip which is cheap. Could also use a slip on rubber grip like the Houge, etc.

Notable things about this pistol...
Comes with a bunch of safety features to prevent idiots from hurting themselves or others. These include a manual thumb safety, key lock, pop up loaded chamber indicator and a magazaine disconnect safety. I don't consider these good or bad.

The long double action trigger pull is like a revolver so you can use the thumb safety or not. I suggest however you either use it all the time or not at all ever. You will get confused under stress and fumble with it if you sometimes do or don't. My Keltecs don't have or need thumb safeties so I am up in the air as to using it or not.

The key lock out thing is a choice. Might be good if you have kids or other people may have access to your pistol. If you had to leave it in you car you might want to unload it and lock it out. Personally this is a carry gun and I am unlikely to store it locked ever. I stashed the key away and will likely never use it.

The loaded chamber indicator is a non issue to me. I don't really notice it.

I've read reviews by people who consider mag disconnect pistols tactically unsound because you can't fire the gun during a reload. Consequently they say this pistol should not be carried as primary self defense gun, only a backup. Well, you can't fire a revolver or empty semi auto during a reload either so I don't think that excludes them from being carried. I am not big fan of mag disconnects because it is just one more thing to go wrong but it is pretty much a non issue tactically. I will say that if you decide to disable the mag disconnect you will be negligent if someone hurts themselves or others with your pistol.

I fired a mixture of about 100 rounds through my LC9. These included, JHPs, FMJ, steel cased Wolf, aluminum Blazers, etc. All fed without issue and all shot to point of aim at 7-10 yards.

All things considered a pocket 9mm like the LC9 is a good compromise between firepower and concealability for self defense. It is an adequetely powerful self defense round and one is likely to have this pistol with you when you need it. I don't feel under armed with mine.

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I use the key for mine all the time.

I keep it in my cleaning kit and pop out the slide pin with it. :D

I did add a Hogue grip sleeve to it because of the cheesegrater grip.
 
Glad you like it. The LC9 was just coming out when I got my PF9, so I never checked it out.

You mentioned the safety features.

These include a manual thumb safety, key lock, pop up loaded chamber indicator and a magazaine disconnect safety. I don't consider these good or bad.

As you also noted, the Kel-Tec guns lack all of them. I'm used to that, having all my initial training done with service revolvers. My Bersa Thunder 380 has the key-lock, but I've never used it. I'm not even sure if I've even tested it, and I carried that gun daily for two years before I got the PF9 (the Bersa also has all the other features except the LCI.)

The PF9 uses a hybrid-DA trigger mechanism, meaning the hammer is partially-cocked between shots. Pulling the trigger takes it the rest of the way to the rear, then releases it. This makes for a lighter trigger pull, but eliminates "re-strike" capability. Drop the hammer on a dud round or empty chamber, and you'll need to reset it by partially retracting the slide before you can try again.

Your P11 had a "true" DA trigger, one that could be cycled over and over by pulling it, even with an empty chamber.

I'm not sure about the Ruger; which type action does it have?

Pocket-nines are certainly a breed that demands special attention, but I'm sure glad they're out there. Shooting mine isn't fun, but it wasn't hard to learn to run.
 
I was real close to getting a PF9. I got a deal on the Ruger I couldn't pass up.

A couple notes.....

The second or third day I had it I carried it when I went shopping. Not as my primary but as a backup to my snubby. I hadn't shot any rounds through it at that time so I didn't want to carry as my primary. It was comfortable and easy to carry. Anyway, I got home, unloaded it and tested the trigger. Trigger just went click, click, click. Took me a minute to figure out that I had inadvertently locked it out while fooling around with it. So I was carrying it locked and useless. I found the key, unlocked it and stashed the key away from the gun. Don't want that to happen again.

I just added to my don't likes, that you have to use a tool to take it down. Not a big deal but who needs a tool to field strip a pistol anymore?

In regards to carrying it. I had it stuck in my waistband until I can figure out something else. Holsters are ok but they add bulk to a thin pistol. I had/have belt clips on my Keltecs (I had a P11, still have a P32) and they are easy to carry that way. I just found out that a company makes a belt clip for the LC9 so that is now on order.

http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Belt-Clip...qid=1388066434&sr=8-1&keywords=ruger+lc9+clip

I also just found out that the person I sold my P11 to five years ago has since bought S&W snubby and is willing to sell it back to me for what I sold it to them for. Looking forward to getting it back and comparing it with the LC9.
 
I own a PF-9, P-11 and a DB DB-9. I do not own the Ruger LC-9 though I do own a P-85 and a P-95.

For pocket or deep conceal carry I really like the small 9mm guns. The KT and DB are very similar with the DB being slightly smaller which helps with pocket carry. I do not own the Ruger because of a couple of the things you discussed. I do not like the manual safety though I now own a S&w Bodyguard 380 that has a thumb safety and I am getting to the point where I don't dislike it as much. As you said it is a matter of using it or not using it. I look at these "pocket rockets" like a revolver. The long trigger pull acts as the safety for me.

Initially there were a lot of issues with DB quality so a lot of people are scared of them. Like most people that shoot a lot I have had some guns that had issues and needed a trip back to the factory. Ruger and S&W fall into that category as does KT. I would never carry a gun as my primary weapon until I had determined that it is as dependable as I can make it with the ammo I use and the DB fits that mold.
I like the Ruger and would buy one if I found a great price. I think it is so similar to the other small 9mms mentioned that there is no major reason to choose one over the other.
The P-11 is also nice but a little thicker and heavier which is a plus because of the additional capacity.
I too put Hogue grips on all of these guns which does help make it a bit more comfortable to run through a box of ammo. I am not at all recoil sensitive with pistols but those tiny grips just make them uncomfortable to shoot a lot and I don't have really large hands.

Glad you can get the P-11 back. It's a nice gun.
 
Nice review. One issue I've had with mine was with the USA made magazines. After use, the one I had wore and would not stay in the gun. Slight manipulation and it would fall right out. Wearing IWB I'd notice the mag wasn't locked in when I checked it. This means it wouldn't function if I needed it to because of the mag disconnect safety. I did not have the same problem with Italian made mags (Mec Gar.) Ruger replaced the bad mag and also the magazine release and spring for me. Now, I'm confident it will do the job if needed.
 
I think the smaller and lighter a manufacturer makes a 9mm, the tighter the range or window gets for what ammo will function in the firearm. Many of the pocket nines can't handle +P ammo. Some of the smaller nines are also designed around specific bullet weights or pressures. The Diamondback DB9 was designed to shoot less than 125gr bullets at standard SAMMI pressures, Kimber Solo was designed to shoot 124gr to 147gr bullets at standard SAMMI pressures.

I want around 14" of penetration through denim and heavy clothing so I like the 147gr bullets. So that would also effect my choice of handgun, but that's just me.
 
My understanding is that the Diamondback is made by a former Keltec employee who also stole the design. Never seen one so I don't know how they compare to the original or other clones.

I think the negative of the Ruger is that adding all the extra safety features makes it more complicated than it needs to be. The more moving parts, the more orifices it has the more likely something will get in there and gum up the works.

Personally, I would rather have a striker fired pocket 9 mm with a manual safety than these long double action pistols with which all the manufacturers jumped on board with.

My single action Colt 1903 Hammerless (it actually does have an internal hammer) has a grip safety and thumb safety. It is a nice pistol to carry. My old striker fired AMT Backup 380 had a grip safety and thumb safety. I think the SA XD9s is a striker fired, single stack with grip safety as is the S&W Shield. Both are larger than the LC9/PF9/DB however.
 
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I had a PF-9 & sold it.

What I liked:
It's small enough to pocket carry in a #4 Blackhawk pocket holster.
Goes bang every time.
Accurate enough for close range.
Fit & finish was nice
Great warranty.

What I didn't like:
slide peened after only 3 or 4 months & I needed to use warranty. (I like to practice a lot)
trigger rebound is VERY fast & SNAPS back & stings the trigger finger.
this caused me to begin to flinch on each shot ruining any accuracy.
 
My understanding is that the Diamondback is made by a former Keltec employee who also stole the design. Never seen one so I don't know how they compare to the original or other clones.

I thought that was SCCY Industries, CPX-1 and CPX-2:

Barrel Length: 3.1"
Height: 4"
Length: 5.7"
Width: 1"
Weight: 15oz

http://www.sccy.com/



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I have an LC9 and really like it. I also have a Kahr PM9 that IMO is as good as it gets in small nines, but the LC9 is not far behind and at a much lower price.
 
My mistake, Diamondback has/had no relation to Keltec while SCCY is supposedly a former Keltec employee. Designs are similar however and no doubt come from the same source as does Rugers LCP/LC9.
 
I really like mine LC9 but i had a similar problem as "STrutstopper" did. I lost a magazine and order another from Ruger and they send me a Made in the USA one. It would not lock in well and just a little movement would drop the mag. I send it back and they send a new one but had the same problem This time I send the weapon to Ruger and they replaced the magazine release and spring and it seems to be working fine now with both the USA mags and the Italian made ones.

be safe
 
We have 2, 1 plain and 1 with CT. Mine is plain and I have put several 100 through it. Feeds and ejects reliably. Have both Made in U.S.A. and Italian mags. No problems with either. Only trouble I've had is at different times both factory sights came loose. Opted to replace with Williams fiber optic sights. They do have a long trigger pull, so if you carry it, you should practice both with range time and dry firing to get familiar with it.
Ruger states in their manual that it is +P rated, but not +P+.
I generally carry it front pocket with pocket holster. Or it is behind my mouse on the computer desk tray.
 
I happened to be in the gun store when the first LC9 was delivered.

I liked it and thought I'd give it a try.

In the first eight days, me and seven other people, including two women put over a thousand trouble free rounds through the gun. At least seven different kinds of ammo.

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I stopped counting at 1,700 (trouble free) rounds but I'd estimate the gun has over 2,000, trouble free rounds through it now

I liked the gun so well I bought a second one. Black.

Then I bought a third. The NRA, camo version.
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Several weeks ago I sold my second unused LC9 to a lady friend.

A couple weeks ago I bought another new LC9. A Tan colored grip version.

Mostly I pocket carry the gun.



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Holy Moly M2, you win the prize for the most pocket pistols. Perhaps you would give us a run down on what you have and how you like them in comparison with one another.
 
Holy Moly M2, you win the prize for the most pocket pistols. Perhaps you would give us a run down on what you have and how you like them in comparison with one another.
OK.
The ones in the picture, starting with the Glock, top left.
It's a G33 (357 SIG). It's the same size as the G26 (9mm) which I also have.
Reliable, accurate and very powerful but too thick and bulky (IMO) to be a pocket pistol for most people.
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Next to the right is a Beretta PX4 9mm Sub Compact. Very reliable and accurate. Nice gun but way to heavy and bulky to be a pocket pistol.
Fun to shoot.


Next is a CZ RAMI 9mm. Typical CZ good quality gun. Personally I like adjustable sights on my guns. The sights are what really sold me on this gun.
Again, a double stack magazine gun is too big and bulky for most pocket carry.
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Second row on the left is the XDS (45ACP). I bought the gun because it was 45 ACP caliber. I was surprised how much I came to like it. It's single stack and not too wide. I think some people could pocket carry it.
I put (good) lasers on all my defense guns, if available, so I like the rail.
I'm thinking about getting the 9mm.
It's reliable and accurate.
Don't know why I wrote XDX instead of XDS. :)
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In the middle is the Shield. Probably one of the most popular guns today.
I have two, the 9mm and 40S&W and I'm thinking about getting another one.
About the only thing I'd change is I'd like a rail for a laser, like the XDS.


On the right is a sleeper, the Bersa BP9cc (9mm). I bought this gun just because. Turns out it's a good gun. Reliable, accurate and nice to shoot with the long grip. But the long grip may make it a little hard for some pocket carry.
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Bottom row left is the Ruger LCP with Crimson Trace laser. Nice small pocket gun. I probably conceal carry this gun more than any other gun.
Good gun but like most of these small 32/380 guns, not 100% reliable, 100% of the time. Once in a while it decides to jam on the second or third round. But not often enough that I still pocket carry it.
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Next right is the Kel Tec 32/P3AT (they both look alike).
I've had these guns since they first came out. Low price guns and not 100% reliable 100% of the time. But close enough that I trusted them for years for pocket carry, and still would.


Then comes one of Rugers jewels, the LC9. Small and accurate. So far shooting thousands of rounds it's never had a gun caused malfunction.
I've had four LC9's and have three now.
It's my pocket carry choice.
Small enough to pocket carry and I can't do justice to it's accuracy.
Standing, 52 yards, two hands, the gun would easily keep all shots COM if I could do it.
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Last is the Beretta NANO (9mm).
I like most everything about it except the too long trigger. A DA gun like this needs a long trigger but Beretta over did it. Still I like it and if I didn't like the LC9 so much I'd probably be carrying the NANO.
I bought a second black one but I still like the green better. :)
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One pocket gun that hasn't caught on is the .380 Micro Desert Eagle. It's a little heavy, being all steel but it's very small and reliable. I don't carry mine.
The gun is very accurate.
52 yards, standing, two hands.
A couple shots went under the target because I was aiming too low.
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M2 Carbine that is an Excellent review. I have the Micro Desert Eagle too and it is utterly reliable but very punishing to shoot more than one or two magazines at a time.

Couldn't agree more about the LC9.
 
I have the Micro Desert Eagle too and it is utterly reliable but very punishing to shoot more than one or two magazines at a time.
Yes, it's a kicking little bugger.

You might give them a call and request new recoil springs and a couple spare buffers.

I think mine had bad/weak springs because it was the worst kicking gun I've ever shot.

Turns out, when I was shooting the gun at the above steel target, the slide cracked sometime before the last round. I didn't know it until I cleaned the gun later and saw the cracked slide.

I called Magnum Research and sent the gun to them.
When I got the gun back the recoil was still stout but much less than it had been.
Recoil springs???

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Thanks Mac,Great Post,I've been back and forth for a couple months now about a LC-9,I alternate my EDC's between a Berretta PX 4 Sub compact 9mm [a little chunky but a great carry firearm] a Ruger SR40C Compact,and my baby a Colt Detective .38 Special Snubby circa 1973 bought it New.The most common complaint I've seen about the LC-9 across the board seems to be long trigger pull,thats not a issue for me as I have carried the Colt DS for many years.So after reading your post I'm getting me a LC-9 made in MURICA,I have been scanning around for a used one but You can get a new one within a $70 range so a new one it will be..Thanks everyone..
 
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I have both LCP and LC9. I like the LCP best for carry, but my wife stole it from me, replacing her bulkier SW 60 . So I bought a used LC9 as my carry.
LCP 100% reliable from day one. 3-400 rounds so far.
LC9 did choke on early. Complete tear down and cleaning didn't help. So I ran an ammo brand test and found the culprit was certain lots of S & B ammo with hard primers. Since then, hundreds of rounds, factory and reloads, it too is 100% reliable.
I did make one mod to the LC9 that helped my carry, I cut the finger lip off the mag making it more concealed.
 
Thanks for the reviews of those guns and contributions of others. Interesting stuff.

Over the years I've had a number of pocket autos. I carried an original AMT Backup 380 as a backup gun in the 70s. It was heavy, being all stainless steel but was a good pocket gun. Don't know why I sold it. I carried a Sterling 302 in .22lr for awhile. I was all metal but pretty small. Fun little gun but my patrol car partner shot himself in the groin with one while fumbling around in his pocket with it while we were eating dinner one night. It was a striker fired gun and had a thumb safety. Probably shouldn't have carried it with a round chambered.

One of my favorite guns was a Keltec P11 which I bought used. The guy I bought it from fluffed and buffed it and it was reliable. I sold it to a friend in who needed a concealed gun for a job with the understanding that I could buy it back when they replaced it. That was 5 years ago and I just found out they just bought another gun and are willing to give it back. They've since retired but will be back in town in January. Looking forward to getting it back.

I also have Keltec P32. Bought it based on my experience with the P11. Mine has been 100% reliable though I don't use it much it is easy to carry. Someone once said it is a gun you carry when you aren't carrying a gun.

Since we as showing off guns, take a look at my classic, iconic pocket pistol I bought at a garage sale last summer. Colt Model 1903 Hammerless .32 auto. This one was made in 1926 and is in excellent condition. Technology has come a long way when you compare it to the P32. The Colt 03 was the pocket pistol of choice for gangsters, lawmen and generals and the general public for over 5 decades.

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It is both longer and heavier than the LC9
 
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The Colt 03 was the pocket pistol of choice for gangsters, lawmen and generals and the general public for over 5 decades.
This is my Colt.
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And this is my Wife's Colt.
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We carried them before it was strictly legal. :)
 
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