9mm rifles and carbines
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Never fired a Hi-Point carbine but I've heard a lot of good things about them, supposedly they are great fun and pretty accurate, and a good deal for the money. Only thing is, I happen to think they're the ugliest gun ever created. But if you're not one for aesthetics, you may like it.
I believe that there are aftermarket stocks for the Hi-Point that make it look like the Storm carbine, which might do something about the looks.
I believe that there are aftermarket stocks for the Hi-Point that make it look like the Storm carbine, which might do something about the looks.
Tarvis
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Mech tech makes a pistol conversion off of a 1911 or a glock frame. The 1911 conversion I had a chance to shoot was pretty cool and seemed to function just fine.
R.W.Dale
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Olympic arms now offers an AR15 9mm carbine that takes Glock mags
357fan
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The Hi-point is ugly to look at, but beautiful to shoot. Just ignore the snobs as you chew up the center of your target.
Seriously, mine has been 100% reliable and is very accurate to boot. I routinely shoot soda cans at 50-75 yards with it.
Everybody who has shot mine has asked where I got it and how much I paid for it. Then they go get one for themselves.
The only thing I'd change, if I had one wish, is the mag capacity. I know why it is the way it is, but I'd really love a 30 round mag for it. It's not a deal-breaker, just a nit-pick.
Go buy one!
Seriously, mine has been 100% reliable and is very accurate to boot. I routinely shoot soda cans at 50-75 yards with it.
Everybody who has shot mine has asked where I got it and how much I paid for it. Then they go get one for themselves.
The only thing I'd change, if I had one wish, is the mag capacity. I know why it is the way it is, but I'd really love a 30 round mag for it. It's not a deal-breaker, just a nit-pick.
Go buy one!
The Hi-Points work. Don't get me wrong. But I just don't like them in the sense that it's not a gun I have a great deal of joy in owning, shooting or maintaining. Same applies to the Kel-tecs.
Beretta Storms would be truly amazing if they didn't have the clunky pseudo-thumbhole and cost a small fortune for polymer.
You're forgetting the semi-auto SMG variants - Uzi, MP5, etc.
I went with the midrange and obscenely expensive options in 9mm carbines personally: Vector Uzi and one of the extremely hard to find V89k-PDWs. Both are now NFA weapons - why I'd want to own a stick barrelled monstrosity is beyond me if I had a choice ;0
The Uzi is the cheapest fun option I handled: in the 650-900 range, you get 8 pounds of reassuring metal that delivers boring pop can accuracy past 100m. Don't let the people who tell you they can't hit a damn thing convince you - we're not talking about the open bolt slamming SMG here. Cheap magazines rock. If you want to SBR it, it's an extremely easy conversion. Cons are the awkward manual of arms and weight. The weight is subjective: it has literally zero recoil with +P+. Total package cost is under $1k with a pile of magazines, spare parts, and tax stamp if available in your area.
The MP5, well, it's an obvious choice if the cost of entry wasn't so godawful high. Converting a factory HK to SBR (SP-89 for the K, 94 for the regular MP5) isn't about the cost of the tax stamp any more - you're looking at 5k plus magazine and accessory costs and adding paddle magazine release etc. The only quality clone I ever handled was the extremely limited run of Vector guns (< 150 total), and good luck finding one these days honestly. It took me a year, and I could have bought a full auto Mac with what it ran when it was all said and done in terms of stamp, gun, accessories, and a few magazines. If cost is basically no concern, get a HK or a Vector gun. You're looking at $2500-6k here realistically, more than most are willing to spend but sometimes you gotta pay to get what you want.
You *can* cheap out (and cheap out is relative, as you're still in the $1300 area) with a Coharie/SW MP5 clone - reports are mixed on the guns and although they seem to be getting better, throwing $1300 at what may well be a U-Fix-Em wasn't my idea of fun. Coharie is allegedly making a 94 clone now without paddle release and stick barrel etc, but it's like buying a car with none of the comfortable driving amenities - if you roll the dice, roll it on the more expensive model IMO.
That said, if you're ever in the market for a HK registered autosear, the semi-MP5s aren't getting any cheaper and will make fine sear hosts if that's a future desire of yours. They're also generally available as pistols from the clone manufacturers so SBR conversion is easy and requires no amazing mechanical skills.
I haven't done photos of the gun since stamping it, here's my K-PDW before grip and stock: expensive, stupid, and fun, and paid for so I never have to think about it again ;0
Beretta Storms would be truly amazing if they didn't have the clunky pseudo-thumbhole and cost a small fortune for polymer.
You're forgetting the semi-auto SMG variants - Uzi, MP5, etc.
I went with the midrange and obscenely expensive options in 9mm carbines personally: Vector Uzi and one of the extremely hard to find V89k-PDWs. Both are now NFA weapons - why I'd want to own a stick barrelled monstrosity is beyond me if I had a choice ;0
The Uzi is the cheapest fun option I handled: in the 650-900 range, you get 8 pounds of reassuring metal that delivers boring pop can accuracy past 100m. Don't let the people who tell you they can't hit a damn thing convince you - we're not talking about the open bolt slamming SMG here. Cheap magazines rock. If you want to SBR it, it's an extremely easy conversion. Cons are the awkward manual of arms and weight. The weight is subjective: it has literally zero recoil with +P+. Total package cost is under $1k with a pile of magazines, spare parts, and tax stamp if available in your area.
The MP5, well, it's an obvious choice if the cost of entry wasn't so godawful high. Converting a factory HK to SBR (SP-89 for the K, 94 for the regular MP5) isn't about the cost of the tax stamp any more - you're looking at 5k plus magazine and accessory costs and adding paddle magazine release etc. The only quality clone I ever handled was the extremely limited run of Vector guns (< 150 total), and good luck finding one these days honestly. It took me a year, and I could have bought a full auto Mac with what it ran when it was all said and done in terms of stamp, gun, accessories, and a few magazines. If cost is basically no concern, get a HK or a Vector gun. You're looking at $2500-6k here realistically, more than most are willing to spend but sometimes you gotta pay to get what you want.
You *can* cheap out (and cheap out is relative, as you're still in the $1300 area) with a Coharie/SW MP5 clone - reports are mixed on the guns and although they seem to be getting better, throwing $1300 at what may well be a U-Fix-Em wasn't my idea of fun. Coharie is allegedly making a 94 clone now without paddle release and stick barrel etc, but it's like buying a car with none of the comfortable driving amenities - if you roll the dice, roll it on the more expensive model IMO.
That said, if you're ever in the market for a HK registered autosear, the semi-MP5s aren't getting any cheaper and will make fine sear hosts if that's a future desire of yours. They're also generally available as pistols from the clone manufacturers so SBR conversion is easy and requires no amazing mechanical skills.
I haven't done photos of the gun since stamping it, here's my K-PDW before grip and stock: expensive, stupid, and fun, and paid for so I never have to think about it again ;0
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If I had to own a 9mm carbine it would be a Ruger Police Carbine. It is tough and will last a hundred years +
Hutch
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I have a Storm I bought after reading a review in the American Rifleman. Neat little gun, and provides decent accuracy. Safety and mag release require some getting used to. Trigger a little scritchety, but the stock works well for a lefty as well as a righty, and the ejection can be swapped around, no problemo. I likes mine a lot.
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What do you want to use it for?
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OK, you asked. The bad behind all of them is that they're inferior to a carbine shooting a real, actual rifle round (an "intermediate" round, if you wish). But they're fun. But I can't talk - I have a .45 colt carbine - ha.
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How about I show you a personal defense weapon with a short barrel that is much smaller than your PDW-SBR, and just as effective?
http://lib.irismedia.org/sait/guns/handguns/cz75.jpg
But, I see your point.
http://lib.irismedia.org/sait/guns/handguns/cz75.jpg
But, I see your point.
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OK. Actually, I buy your logic on this.....
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I have a Vector semi-auto Uzi. It's a range toy for matches where rifle calibers aren't allowed. I went with the Uzi after having (and selling) a Ruger PC.
100 might describe the longevity in years of the Ruger, unfortunately, it also describes the trigger weight. I actually had friends that were shooting it haul back on the trigger (weapon didn't fire) and ask me if it was on safe still. It wasn't.
The Uzi has the advantage of working w/o having to futz around with it and mags are cheap too. The bad side is it's hard to mount optics on an Uzi. BWS
100 might describe the longevity in years of the Ruger, unfortunately, it also describes the trigger weight. I actually had friends that were shooting it haul back on the trigger (weapon didn't fire) and ask me if it was on safe still. It wasn't.
The Uzi has the advantage of working w/o having to futz around with it and mags are cheap too. The bad side is it's hard to mount optics on an Uzi. BWS
RecoilRob
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It is a shame you sold the PC because of the heavy trigger. It is a relatively easy thing to fix and the rest of the rifle is solid.
I too have a Beretta CX4 in 9mm and here are my pros and cons to it.
Pros:
Lightweight
high capacity
accurate
manueverable
able to handle +p ammo
16" barrel (very effective velocity and expansion for a 9mm)
Cons:
Trigger was a bit deep 8-10 lbs pull. (After I fired 400 rounds its down to about 6-7 lbs.
Iron sights are terrible (I co-witnessed an Aimpoint for pinpoint accuracy)
Now if you look at the Pros over the Cons, its the weapon of choice during small disaesters like oh say IKE.
By the way this is my 1st post since I got my power back from IKE, I hope all is well with every other person who has endured it!
Pros:
Lightweight
high capacity
accurate
manueverable
able to handle +p ammo
16" barrel (very effective velocity and expansion for a 9mm)
Cons:
Trigger was a bit deep 8-10 lbs pull. (After I fired 400 rounds its down to about 6-7 lbs.
Iron sights are terrible (I co-witnessed an Aimpoint for pinpoint accuracy)
Now if you look at the Pros over the Cons, its the weapon of choice during small disaesters like oh say IKE.
By the way this is my 1st post since I got my power back from IKE, I hope all is well with every other person who has endured it!
missouri dave
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I'd second Ed there. I love my 9mm storm except for the iron sights. Put an eotech on mine. Trigger is a bit heavy but slicked up with usage.
thunder173
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Marlin Camp 9 Carbine,...and my Keltec P-11,...both take S&W 59 series amags,..and they're available in 30 rounder,....good luck finding theCamp 9 carbine though,.....
jonnyc
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My Hi-Point 995 is easily as accurate and as reliable as my buddy's Beretta Storm, at least before he put a red-dot on his. The 10-round limit on the Hi-Point is an inconvenience, but the price more than makes up for it. Gotta find a nice inexpensive red-dot sight.
KiltedClaymore
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check out the Feather USA RAV. kinda looks like a M-3. also look up the H&K USC
if only Heckler&Koch didnt hate me....
if only Heckler&Koch didnt hate me....
RRA makes a nice 9mm Pros: Accurate, evil, can put a .223 upper on it, unlimited assesories. Cons: unlimited assesories cost big bucks, rifles not cheap, but comparable to a Storm. 9mms are damn fun to shoot, with about the same recoil as a .223
Pros: Accurate, evil, can put a .223 upper on it, unlimited assesories. Cons: unlimited assesories cost big bucks, rifles not cheap, but comparable to a Storm. 9mms are damn fun to shoot, with about the same recoil as a .223
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