9mm rifles and carbines

[kcshooter]

The bad behind all of them is that they're inferior to a carbine shooting a real, actual rifle round (an "intermediate" round, if you wish).

Yep. I agree. Which means any PCC I buy is going to be for fun before anything else. So the magazine capacity limit on my hipoint doesn't bother me. Nor does the fact that I can break a row of clays at 80 yards with iron sights. And for $200 for the rifle, I can buy a lot of mags and ammo.
The best part is letting it sit out in front of everyone at the range, giving the nay-sayers just enough time to badmouth it and trash it before I let it put on an impressive display of accuracy and reliability.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

If you're getting it just as a plinker, you might want to check out the .22LR instead.

 

[tinygnat219]

Kel-Tec SUB 2000 here.

Pros:
Takes commonly available pistol Mags (Glock 17 for mine)
Low recoil, fast followup shot.
Shares magazines with carry pistol (Glock 19)
Lightweight
compact
foldable to 16 inches.

Cons:
Short Stock
Hard to find at present time.

 

[SCPigpen]

Marlin Camp Gun. 9mm, uses 10,15,20&30rd S&W 59 mags. Folding, pistol grip stock can make it almost a pistol.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

Hard to find at present time.

just have your favorite gun store owner order it for you. it'll cost about $20-25 (maybe more, they set price) extra for the time taken to focus on your special order.

 

[TCB in TN]

Another vote for the little Hi Point. I bought one, have shot the Storm and the kel tec and other than looks and mags the Hi Point is the best value. IMHO it is the better shooter, and you can buy 3 of them for the price of the Storm. BTW I have had many people shoot mine (including new shooters) and everyone just loves it.

 

[TIMC]

I went with the Mech-Tech carbine using a Glock 17 lower mainly because I have a Glock 17 and plenty of mags and I got the rifle cheap. I will say it is a very accurate shooter even though it looks a little odd.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

holy crap, forget the mech-tech, i wanna hear about the beast resting ABOVE it!!!

 

[TIMC]

holy crap, forget the mech-tech, i wanna hear about the beast resting ABOVE it!!!

That's one of my home defense guns!

Really it's a 1919A4 Browning chambered in .308. I call it my blue moon gun cause that's about how often I can afford to shoot it, once in a blue moon!
She'll blow $100 worth of ammo in less than 30 seconds.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

want me to take that financial burden off your hands?

 

[TIMC]

want me to take that financial burden off your hands?

You sir are too kind!

 

[KiltedClaymore]

no problem, use it as my new deer gun

 

[Deer Hunter]

I think I'd enjoy a mectec carbine. Perhaps in 10mm, though.

 

[MassMark]

Get an IMI Model B Uzi and never, ever look back....

Pros: Robust, reliable, accurate, bomb proof, idiot proof, functional, convertible, accessories, cheap mags, ammo availability, cool factor, spare parts availability, (if you ever need them anyway), historic, ergonomic, easy to SBR, etc....

Cons: None - it's an Uzi....

 

[KiltedClaymore]

ohohoh! just remembered. go look at http://www.masterpiecearms.com/

 

[rfurtkamp]

ohohoh! just remembered. go look at http://www.masterpiecearms.com/

Quality's good, but oh, dear god, the weight of the 971 made me cry. I ordered one for the shop when it first came out - it makes a Thompson look light. Seriously.

It's the heaviest 9mm carbine on earth.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

its good exercise. buck up.

 

[stiletto raggio]

MSAR is releasing an AUG clone that takes Glock magazines. 9mm, 40, 10mm and 45. Beautiful.

 

[Tarvis]

I wanna say Mech Tech quoted me $450 or so but it's on their website. When I fired one on a 1911 a friend owned, I didn't need head phones, but it may have been powder puff target loads as opposed to full house factory ammo.

That's one of my home defense guns!

How much was it?

 

[rfurtkamp]

its good exercise. buck up.

It was good exercise practice for putting a PVS-2 on a FAL. And realizing if I wanted that kind of weight, I wanted belt fed or to be riding shotgun on a vehicle.

 

[Zach S]

I like my 9mm AR. 32 accurate rounds with comparable recoil to my SHTF carbine.

I kept meaning to get a hi-point, but I dont think I will as long as I have my AR. My overtime came to a quick stop a few months ago, and I dont have near the disposable income I used to, so I have to justify firearms purchases to myself now. Kinda strange how that worked out...

When I fired one on a 1911 a friend owned, I didn't need head phones, but it may have been powder puff target loads as opposed to full house factory ammo.

May have been factory ammo. My thompson is amazingly quiet, I can hear the quick "ping" of the bolt over the report of the shot.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

It was good exercise practice for putting a PVS-2 on a FAL. And realizing if I wanted that kind of weight, I wanted belt fed or to be riding shotgun on a vehicle.

their site doesnt list weight. how much did it weigh?

 

[rfurtkamp]

Somewhere north of 12 pounds.

It was perhaps the most *solid* modern gun I've ever seen. You could have bored out the more than bull barrel for any caliber that didn't require a tax stamp, and everything was milled and overbuilt to a point of silliness.

Add a FAL lower to that and it was just silly.

As a SBR it *might* have been tolerable, but by the time you finished with a loaded Suomi mag you were talking 16ish.

 

[KiltedClaymore]

no way, really? that little 9mm carbine weighed almost 20 pounds?

 

[rfurtkamp]

My thompson is amazingly quiet, I can hear the quick "ping" of the bolt over the report of the shot.

It's typical for the 16"+ barrel carbines I've shot - Uzi pre-SBR it was soo quiet behind it shooting I could hear the bullet impact cardboard at 50 and 100.

I'd imagine out front it'd be a lot louder but behind it was just stupid quiet in a sort of creepy way.

My old Thompson was fairly quiet as well, when it wasn't blowing parts of it out of the ejection port