9mm vs hatchet

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I am not an expert in the subject, but it seems to me that if you were within grappling distance, a knife would be a better choice than an axe/hatchet. A hatchet requires unrestricted use of the arm to deliver a full stroke. A knife can do serious damage with a greater combination of arm movements.

Who provides training in CQB hatchet fighting, anyway? ;)

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I did hear that the Army is going to stop equiping it's officers with the 9mm M9 and switch their sidearms to the camp hatchet....


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Well, hatchets are pretty good, but I hear Illinois and California limit you to hatchets that break after 10 swings. :)
 
Don't underestimate a quality hatchet or hawk. They're fast and lethal. I'd rather get shot in the chest with a nine than hit in the head with an axe any day.
 
What kind of hatchet? Everyone knows single blade hatchets will bounce right off a man's chest. Real men carry double blade hatchets and nothing less than 8" blades. Double blades have OSS (one swing stops) at 99%. I heard of a guy who was hit in the arm with a double blade hatchet and it knocked him off his feet backwards 20 ft. Real oak handles. No tupperware handles. And they have to be 24" long. Only girly men and those who don't know anything about the OSS of hatchets would use anything less. The only question is do you carry your hatchet IWB, OWB, or Thunderware.
 
This reminds me of a debate some friends of mine have about what weapon they would want to have if attacked by zombies.
 
Hey, everything has a place in the scheme of things. The problem with these type threads is, everyone seems to base everything on one single scenario or thought(or lack of it), instead of looking at the whole picture. Edged weapons definitely have a place, and if you are of the belief of them not being a lethal threat, I'd suggest you get just some basic training with one, and/or talk to someone who has experienced their effect personally, and then come back and tell us again what you think.

For those who think you need a "full swing" with a hatchet to be effective, I'm betting you have little or no real experience with one, and you may want to get some instruction with one awhile before you continue to comment. There are many ways to use even the simplest tools that are nothing even close to what is normally thought to be its use. A hatchet/hawk or small ax are no different. Who says you need to use the edge or hold it in a wood chopping manner? Mine have multiple sharp edges and points, and every one can inflict very nasty and deadly wounds, and thats before its even "swung".

Personally, I like the Bruce Lee method of training. Learn as much about as many weapons and skills as possible, then pick from them what works best for YOU from the lot. Making fun of some one elses choice could very well make you look foolish,(and if your lucky, thats all) no matter how silly you think it is, or how good you THINK you are. ;)
 
Thanks car knocker, you may have just saved my life :)
Don't tell anyone, but part of the reason I bought my .45 was someone told me it is the best caliber to deal with the undead.
 
Illegal in Texas

TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS said:
PC §46.01. 33
PC CH. 46. WEAPONS
PC §46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this Chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made,
or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by
striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to
the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.


PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits
an offense if he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or
about his person a handgun, illegal knife, or club.
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I guess it would depends on the circumstances. If we both had the option of the two weapons and my opponent grabbed a hatchet after I chose the 9mm?

I'd definitely be worried. :uhoh:

As a person who has done some knife training with some of those crazy arnis/silat guys, you're an extremely overconfident person if you think that a knife isn't a threat in a typical SD situation. The typical engagement range for LEOs is 7 meters or less. If you're not at "weapon ready" then there is a very good chance that you'll be cut at least once before you can fire your pistol at your assailant. Now add that many of your hood-lows like to start it as a fight with a sucker punch and then get to shankin' D-block style once they've pushed you against a wall/table/etc. and you're in a world of hurt in very short order.

Situational awareness is paramount because, as my sensei beat into my head again and again, "Perception makes all other actions possible."
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
As a person who has done some knife training with some of those crazy arnis/silat guys, you're an extremely overconfident person if you think that a knife isn't a threat in a typical SD situation. The typical engagement range for LEOs is 7 meters or less. If you're not at "weapon ready" then there is a very good chance that you'll be cut at least once before you can fire your pistol at your assailant. Now add that many of your hood-lows like to start it as a fight with a sucker punch and then get to shankin' D-block style once they've pushed you against a wall/table/etc. and you're in a world of hurt in very short order.
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If you were armed with a hatchet instead of a gun, you'd be in just as bad shape. The point is mainly that a gun is generally a better all around defensive weapon than a hatchet or knife. Whether or not a hatchet or knife makes a good offensive weapon is irrelevant.

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You know someone is going to mount an axe head on his tac-rails now.
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Naw, no one would be that dumb. ;)

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As a person who has done some knife training with some of those crazy arnis/silat guys, you're an extremely overconfident person if you think that a knife isn't a threat in a typical SD situation. The typical engagement range for LEOs is 7 meters or less. If you're not at "weapon ready" then there is a very good chance that you'll be cut at least once before you can fire your pistol at your assailant. Now add that many of your hood-lows like to start it as a fight with a sucker punch and then get to shankin' D-block style once they've pushed you against a wall/table/etc. and you're in a world of hurt in very short order.
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My grandpappy told me never to take a knife to a gun fight. I think that's pretty sage advice. Don't care if you're Bruce friggin' Lee, one on one, knife vs. gun, I put my money on the gun as the survivor even at contact ranges. That's assuming a trained shooter. And, if there's any distance between the two, the winner is obvious.

No, I don't consider a knife as nothing to worry about. Someone pulls a knife or a hatchet on me, I pull my 9mm and start shooting immediately.
 
It's easier to block an arm swing than a tigger pull, but your sidearm isn't sharp!
 
Meef, I have very consciously tried to weed out my use of "alot", although I still slip up on occasion. Forgive me... Anyhoo, there are a lot of dumbasses on the internet, as we all well know. On www.theboxotruth.com, there was a experiement conducted on the stopping power of a loaf of bread. Apparently, a "Certified firearms instructor" claimed that a loaf of bread held lengthwise would slow down a expanding bullet sufficiently enough to keep someone from getting whacked. Needless to say, the experiement showed that you will die a painful and quite stupid death should you try this particular defense gambit.
 
All I know is that given the choice I think I'd rather be shot than sliced.

Of course, that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that I'm going to take a hatchet to a gun fight. After all, I always have my trusty Leatherman tool, which is much more versatile than any ole' hatchet. I could cut you, squeeze your finger with pliers, file your nails, puncture you with a phillips screwdriver (or slot if I prefer), pry your fingernails back with the bottle opener or any number of other painful things. Heck, with so many tools at hand I could probably completely disassemble your 9mm before you could ever "clear leather" with it. What would you do then?? Huh? HUH?? :D
 
use of a hatchet

At very close range, you do not "swing" a hatchet or 'hawk. You cah choke up on it and punch or slash as though it is a knife. You can also use it to hook your opponent's gunhand out of the way and then backhand with it...

I can close 10 feet in less than 3 steps. The pyschological shock of seeing someone come at you with an AXE can make your heart stop and cloud the mind long enough so that the 9MM never even comes on target..:fire:
 
Very close quarters brings the risk of grappling. It's easier to block an arm swing than a trigger pull.
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+1 to that.

Using any edged weapon for self defense requires a very high level of skill and training - assuming you want to win the fight. These skills are highly preishable as are empty-hand martial arts skills and require constant practice for them to remain viable and effective.

Anyone can buy a big knife or hatchet - not many can use one effectively for defensive purposes.

I'll take a gun over a knife or hatchet any day.:D
 
Has anyone seen UltraViolet?

Your hatchet on your glock was a nifty idea and all, but go through ALL that work when you can just have an UZI with swords hanging off the magazines?

Hatchet or a 9mm? Gimmie the uzi with the swords off the mags. All bases covered.:neener:
 
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