A Chicago Doctor's View on Guns

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John,

I'm not sure if I ever told you this, but I'm a physician here in Chicago. I dabble in some technology stuff, (goes back many years to my college days) and I'm very guarded about telling people about my occupation for obvious and some non-obvious reasons.

I work here in Chicago and do my fare share of time in the E.R. @ UNAMED HOSPTAL (JOHN: Ever notice how gun owners in Illinois are deeply closeted and fearful of anyone finding out about their interest? Remember how gays handled this problem? Just asking.) Although we don't get the most gun shootings in our E.R., we do get our fare share. (Cabrini Green "victims" come to our hospital...etc.) A famous Chicago politician also comes here for all of his ailments.

I can tell you that in the E.R., when a call is made that a GSW is coming in, that most of us assume it's going to be a black male - even if they don't provide that information on the way over.

It's truly a sad state of affairs, and of course, everyone involved believes that guns are "evil", as if that were truly cathartic to the situation at hand.

I've sat through meetings with surgeons making 500K + a year talking about cop killer bullets and the danger to us as surgeons, etc.

It's so blown out of proportion, it makes me sick. Hopefully, some day when I have some seniority I can start speaking out against the brainwashed machine called medicine.

I did onetime mention that there is no such thing as a "cop killer bullet" and that bullets that penetrate a BPV are not "cop killers" just because they do so. Moreover, look at the cops you were shot these past few years and you'll see GSW's to the head, neck, groin/ thigh (femoral artery bleeds so well...) The few shots that actually hit the vests were securely lodged in the Kevlar. This is just another example of hype and bull**** that feeds into the public's perceptions of guns and how evil they are.

Moreover, before you take a patient into surgery you have an x-ray 99% of the time. You can see the bullet, where it's located and if it's mushroomed, etc. In the past 10 years, I've only seen one case of someone getting shot with a hollow point with a "star" type of expansion. You know it's there and you tread lightly JUST as if the person had a shattered femur with sharp bone fragments. (You wouldn't want to get this loser's blood into your system if it cut through your glove...) I've probably seen 50 cases in my career, and 49 of them have always been FMJ. Sometimes I wish these guys would get better ammo and get the job done than to waste all the tax payer money, etc. I'm also an advocate of running shooting schools for gang members so they hit their target and not the 5 year old girl playing in her back yard.

So, I'm going to go out on a limb here (politically) and tell you something that I know to be true. I know this from friends of mine who are police officer's in the city, etc. The CPD is responsible for a good amount of the illegal guns that get circulated in Chicago. You pull a gun off a gang banger, bust him for whatever and keep the gun. (not file the gun on the report, bust him for drugs or whatever you feel like...it's ridiculous the power a CPD officer has to ruin your life.)

The guns circulate between officers, are used to plant on people, sold or traded (yes, some cops have substance abuse problems themselves - let alone gambling, etc.)

I know this is almost impossible, but I would like to know how many guns involved in gang shootings are recycled by police officers. I think the % would outrage the public, then again even one gun recycled by police should outrage the public.

Moving on to a more relevant issue to CC, I can tell you that the rent-a-cops we have at UNAMED HOSPITAL are worthless. We have had people come in to steal drugs, etc. Of course, we give them whatever they want and have them leave. As the nation's drug problem gets worse and Daley's crime program increases the # of murders in Chicago, I can tell you that under my lab coat, I carry a loaded SIG 239 compact in the small of my back. Every minute I'm at the hospital I have it available to me, except for in surgery. Even then, it's a 30 second run to safety.

The few cops I know tell me that it's a great idea and that they would do the same thing. They also know that I would never shoot anyone unless I absolutely had to. I'll never forget the story about the Luby's restaurant in Killeen, TX where a gunman executed over a dozen people. He went around and shot people as they hid behind their tables. There was a female chiropractor there, who normally kept a gun in her purse but had it in her glove compartment this particular day. The murderer had his back to her most of the time, and she could have taken him out quickly and saved many lives that day. That was in the early 90's, and one of the victims was my roommate for 2 years in college. (name withheld to protect the family that lost their only child.) Since that day, I vowed to never let something like that happen again. I wonder what would have happened if the Brown's chicken employees had an opportunity to fight back before they were executed?

Unfortunately, Daley is setting the environment so perfect for things like this to happen. You can kill someone in seconds, it can take the police 5 or more minutes to arrive. Do the math.

Signed,

Doctor who believes in saving lives.

PS: I didn't own a gun until after my friend was murdered. I did however, (of course) use guns in the military.
 
Arts:

My father is a doctor in Chicago. He used to do some ER work a while back. Unfortunately, he is anti-gun, like most doctors (and other folks) in that area.
 
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I wonder what would have happened if the Brown's chicken employees had an opportunity to fight back before they were executed?


People who can't or won't fight back are serfs or slaves.

The "sheepleization" of America is nearly complete. Too many generations of zombies out there who’ve lived their entire lives being told to roll over, submit and wait for someone else to fix the problem.

To acknowledge that sometimes only YOU can fix the problem terrifies a lot of people. With action comes consequences and those are to be avoided at all costs.

Look to the UK and Australia for the road map of our future.
 
Here in Minnesota we finally passed a concealed carry shall-issue law. I am an ER nurse at an inner-city hospital in Minneapolis and I was refreshingly suprised when a few of the ER docs voiced support for concealed carry here in Minnesota.
 
Dave P.
The doctor's letter was addressed to John Birch of Concealed Carry, Inc. based in Oak Brook, IL, a suburb of Chicago. Concealed Carry is an organization of gun owners whose goal is to get a concealed carry law passed in Illinois. You can access the web site at www.concealcarry.org
 
John knows the good doctor and vouches for him. Besides, he's not telling us anything we didn't already know.
 
I do have one question.
In the past 10 years, I've only seen one case of someone getting shot with a hollow point with a "star" type of expansion.

I've probably seen 50 cases in my career, and 49 of them have always been FMJ.

Just getting a little careless with his approximations or was the one hollow point that he saw fully expanded?
 
FMJ's are by far more commonly used in shootings than JHPs.

The only JHPs I have seen that expanded very well at all were 357s.

Very few people get shot with 357 and 45 compared to 25, 32, and 380.

Metal fragments from jackets can be sharp and pose a risk to the OR crew, but no more so than bone fragments and suture needles.

Plus, I would estimate that less than 50% of bullets are ever removed in the first place, so that is really not much of an issue.

At least that has been my experience.
 
It's such a setup:

Lack of ability to defend oneself leads to victim selection.

Victim selection leads to violence, injury, death.

Violence, injury, death leads to more false solutions and legislation.

Finally, the legislation, having eradicated people's access to effective defensive tools, reduces defensive tool use.

AND THEN the statisticians will come, and "prove" the futility of resistance.

The cycle of self fulfilling prophecy is complete.

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Break the cycle America! Get trained, get armed, and stay that way!
 
Since caliber was brought up I will throw in my 2 cents:

Size DOESN'T matter. Worked trauma ICU. Saw lots of little holes in people. .45, .32, .357, .22, 9mm, 380......if you don't hit the spinal colum or head, it usually didn't stop anything very quickly. I had a discussion with a trauma surgeon the other day who pointed out that those "one shot stop" statistics are total bullsh-t statistically. Someone needs to do a study that doesn't just look at shooting where one shot hit the assailant in the torso, then maybe I will listen, but jeez, the one-shot-stop studies threw out shootings where anyone was hit more than once EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT STOPPED. If you shot someone 14 times with a .32 and they kept coming and killed the you, it would not have made the study. :rolleyes:

Anyhow, the only .45 wound I have seen lately was an idiot that shot himself in the hand trying to impress his friends while drunk. I have seen a lot of "mousegun" caliber holes recently though.
 
I grew up in "downstate Illinois" where most everyone I knew had at least a 22 as a kid. I now live in the northern suburbs of Chicago and I can't fathom how foreign a culture the common suburbanite is when it comes to guns.

I am a mid-level executive at a Fortune 50 company. I got my pocketknife out yesterday during some mindless-droning meeting to clean my nails and you would have thought I had just started blasting away at my co-workers with a sawed off shotgun. The horror that these people expressed at seeing my "weapon" (2-1/2" bladed Gerber folder) sums up what these people think of guns, knives whathaveyou.

"Guns are only meant to hurt people. Civilized people don't associate themselves with weapons. Backwards brutes like guns. The government will take care of me. I'm more concerned with the how much I paid to have my landscaping done and how can I get little Johnny/Suzie into the prestegious school, blah, blah, blah."

I've been cowed in the past into not talking about guns or hunting. Too hard to have to justify myself all the time. Lately, I've taken to not being apologetic...just say what I do matter of factly, state it with no more apology than I do when I say I play golf and give them the same cock-eyed look they used to give me when I said I shoot or hunt.

I have roots here now. Nice house, decent job/commute, good neighbors, close to family. I'm about up to *here* with this Nanny-state attitude though.
 
Im glad that there are Dr's who are pro-gun, and not subject to the tripe that some of the medical associations are putting out.
Still infuriating to have to deal with those who are "scared" when you bring up guns. Just have to learn to deal with them in a logical manner, and keep hammering your point home, gently. Sometimes they begin to realize what point you are making, and even come around to your way of thinking.

Education is important, and when you point out facts, may realize that the danger they thought existed, doesn't really exist at all. In the years I worked as a city officer, and carried my own sidearm, ( instead of a now dept. issued) I chose to carry a 1911.
Some persons would be taken back when they saw the "cocked & locked" mode. After explaining it was the safest way to carry, and briefly how it worked, they had no problem.
 
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