A few questions about Missouri Bullet 148 grain DEWC

[powwowell]

I recently acquired a box of Missouri, PPC #2, .358 Dia., 148 grain, DEWCBB, Coated bullets. Brinell hardness of 12.

I've never loaded any of these before. I'm thinking 3.3 grains of HP-38 for the powder, and crimping in the last groove. My questions are: 1) HP-38 is the only powder I have. Hodgdon's doesn't include data for 148 grain DEWCBB, or I overlooked it. Is 3.3 grains sufficient, or too much? 2) Should I load them deeper, and crimp over the end of the bullet? 3) what does PPC #2 indicate?

 

[forrest r]

A link to the lyman 3rd edition cast bullet handbook. It has excellent load data for cast bullets including dewc's and wc's for the 38spl along with wc data for the 357mag.
http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Man...et Handbook - 3rd Edition - 1980 - Reduce.pdf

Another lyman manual, the 48th edition with a lot of excellent reloadfing data for cast and jacketed bullets.
http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Man...ding Handbook - 48th Edition - 2002 - ocr.pdf

These manuals are downloadable for free and can be saved in pfd format.

 

[Kp321]

I have had good success with 3.0 gr. of 231/HP38 in my S&W 52. I assume you’re shooting a revolver, a 52 won’t feed unless the bullet is seated flush. Your load of 3.3 gr. in a revolver should shoot about the same as my load after taking into account the cylinder gap and the extra space from seating a little longer.

 

[rfwobbly]

You can load them either way. It really depends upon your brass. The most common way is to load them to the last cannelure. Such as...



Or, if your dies and brass are agreeable, you can load them all the way in. Such as....



When seated either way, you need just the slightest crimp. But watch for mid-case bulge that is greater than 0.380" in diameter. These cannot fully enter the cylinder. Such as...



3.3gr of W231/HP38 with a Federal or CCI primer will give good results. Faster powders, like Bullseye and No2, do even better. But, as always, work up your load in 0.1gr increments ! My results will not be your results.



(The black "bull" on a TQ-2 target is 2.3". These were shot from a supported position.)

Hope this helps.

 

[Typetwelve]

Like RFW first showed, I seat my to the last cannelure. I don't use a crimp.

I've been loading those hi-tek MBC DEWC's for a few years now, and they work just fine. I use HP38 for a different 38 spcl load, so I cannot say what charge I'd use for those. With the DEWCs, I use 3-3.2g of Tightgroup. That gets me around 800 fps from my 4" 627.

Honestly...and take this for what it is worth, I'd drop 3 grain in and see where you sit, like RFW said, go up in .1 from there until you're where you want to go.

 

[Walkalong]

I have shot the MBC .32 coated WCs and they shoot great, no reason the ones in .38 shouldn’t.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I recently acquired a box of Missouri, PPC #2, .358 Dia., 148 grain, DEWCBB, Coated bullets. Brinell hardness of 12.

I've never loaded any of these before. I'm thinking 3.3 grains of HP-38 for the powder, and crimping in the last groove. My questions are: 1) HP-38 is the only powder I have. Hodgdon's doesn't include data for 148 grain DEWCBB, or I overlooked it. Is 3.3 grains sufficient, or too much? 2) Should I load them deeper, and crimp over the end of the bullet? 3) what does PPC #2 indicate?

Something important to note: These are "bevel-base" bullets so they are not truly "double-ended" wadcutters.

Which end is exposed makes a difference - square or rounded edge - and the warning rfwobbly gave about mid-case bulges *should* be moot - the idea of a bevel-base bullet is to prevent mid-case bulging by rounding off the sharp corners on the base. You'll probably be loading these sharpest end forward ("top" exposed) and really ought to consider crimping on the last groove instead of flush with the case mouth as most people do with lubed-lead double-ended wadcutters. I suspect the hardness and coating will let you run the velocity up higher than softer, lubed bullets would allow but let your gun tell you what is most accurate and keep an eye on pressure signs. I think 3.0gr. of HP38 is a good starting point, mid-700's fps? - with 3.7gr. as your max. load:
...from the Lyman's 48th. WW231 and HP38 are the same powder, the 150gr. button-nose wadcutter is a similar design to the PC#2 (but not identical) but Linotype is much harder than 12BnH. They are advertised as PPC bullets (Precision Pistol Competition) so mild loads tuned for accuracy are recommended.

 

[bluetopper]

Like the chart listed above, I always got better accuracy at the high end with a double end wadcutter.

 

[1KPerDay]

DEWC like to be loaded hottish IME, particularly if they're plated or harder lead alloy.

 

[Walkalong]

Bevel base bullets are beveled to help seating. Flat base tend to be more accurate. How deep the bullet is seated and how thick/thin the brass is determines if you see a big bulge at the bottom. A side affect of beveled bullets is the full diameter part won’t be quite as deep in the case as the same flat based bullet.

 

[Typetwelve]

DEWC like to be loaded hottish IME, particularly if they're plated or harder lead alloy.

This is the primary reason why I swapped from those to more STD LRN projectiles. I found that those WCs like to be run hotter and I was looking to make puffer loads. Swapping to a 145g LRN allowed me to lightening them so I can ring steel easier...and "accuracy" with that is not nearly as critical.

 

[powwowell]

Thanks for all the replies. I will be shooting them in a S&W 15-3, with 4 inch barrel. And, reloading on a Dillon Square Deal.

 

[Walkalong]

DEWC like to be loaded hottish IME, particularly if they're plated or harder lead alloy.

I have had excellent success with DEWCs and light loads in .32 Long, .32 Mag, and .38 Spl, and .44 Spl.. They also take up so much space in the case that ES/SD numbers tend to be lower.

 

[powwowell]

What a wealth of information? I appreciate all the suggestions, pictures and the link to the Lyman Cast Bullet handbook. But, what does PPC #2 mean?
Larry

 

[Steve51]

I have probably shot a 1000 or more of the MBC coated 148 gr. DEWC and also many of the XTreme 148 grain plated DEWC bullets. With HP-38, I use 4.0 grains and with Unique, I use 4.2 grains. I have shot them in a snubbie .38 special, but mostly in .357 magnum revolvers. I had a squibb load once when using Unique (3.3 grains, I think).

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

What a wealth of information? I appreciate all the suggestions, pictures and the link to the Lyman Cast Bullet handbook. But, what does PPC #2 mean?
Larry

Precision Pistol Competition Type 2 Wadcutter. There is also a PPC#1 BBDEWC.

https://www.wholesalehunter.com/Product/Details/11224738?fs=1

 

[243winxb]

But, what does PPC #2 mean?

https://missouribullet.com/faq.php Could it be this? For PPC velocity?

2-Extreme Hi-Tek catalyst – We use this newest catalyst from the manufacturer because it has superb lubricity. It is well worth the extra cost relative to the standard catalyst. The bullets actually look "wet" and are very slippery. This lubricity reduces friction-related heat as the bullet traverses the bore.

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[Riomouse911]

I’ve loaded gobs of the MBC coated DEWC bullets, they’re great for indoor ranges because they shoot as well as lead WC bullets without the lube smoke lingering in the air after every shot.

You’re starting at the low end of the range with HP-38. As the guys said, my experience agrees that the DEWC seems to like mid to upper end loads for best accuracy... but you’ll be ok at 3.3. ( Who knows, it could be right at your guns’ sweet spot at that charge weight .)

Let us know how they shoot for you when you get a chance to load up and hit the range.

Stay safe.