TallPine
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Lot's of things are inherently violent, like driving a nail or splitting wood.
A little something for the cops here (poster)
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Hawkeye755
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Thank you Oleg
I think that the effect is good. The quote was an excellent choice. It would be just as good with the actual Orwell quote as well.
I think that the effect is good. The quote was an excellent choice. It would be just as good with the actual Orwell quote as well.
P95Carry
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More fine work Oleg ...... says what is meant to IMO ... and well.
Amish_Bill
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Is there any way to combine the quote (the version suggested that includes "dark"), the images of the cop & cityscape and an infantryman & some appropriate vista? That could combine the domestic safety / national security sides of the quote.
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matis
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Oleg,
Please see my PM.
matis
Please see my PM.
matis
para.2
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(Scratching head) My understanding, and I can't remember where I found this, is that the quote comes from one of Orwell's radio broadcasts during WW2. I do remember actually seeing a transcript of the entire broadcast allegedly containing the quote.
....now to re-do research done years ago. I really should write this stuff down.:banghead:
....now to re-do research done years ago. I really should write this stuff down.:banghead:lditzel
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Great image!
Maybe another font could improve it further?
Regards, Lars
Maybe another font could improve it further?
Regards, Lars
thumbtack
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Another fine piece of work.
tlhelmer
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Thanks. It is now my desktop!
This work is so much different in its concept from the others you have done, I am very suprised it is from you.
The whole point of self defense as a right is nobody else can do that job for you. Not your government, not the police. In the end, you are responsible for your own safety.
Also, it is not the job of the police to do do violence upon anybody. If you depend upon your police to harm bad people so you can be safe, then, welcome to a police-state.
The poster is inspiration for sheeple, not for the self reliant.
Weimadog
The whole point of self defense as a right is nobody else can do that job for you. Not your government, not the police. In the end, you are responsible for your own safety.
Also, it is not the job of the police to do do violence upon anybody. If you depend upon your police to harm bad people so you can be safe, then, welcome to a police-state.
The poster is inspiration for sheeple, not for the self reliant.
Weimadog
matis
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Weimadog said:
The whole point of self defense as a right is nobody else can do that job for you. Not your government, not the police. In the end, you are responsible for your own safety.
Also, it is not the job of the police to do do violence upon anybody. If you depend upon your police to harm bad people so you can be safe, then, welcome to a police-state.
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And to think, Weimadog, I used to be almost as extreme a libertarian as you sound here.
Ultimately it is, of course, your OWN responsibility, but you'd be pretty busy fighting off bad guys without the protection of soldiers and the police.
Your second paragraph above is totally over the edge. Why do you read the quote as meaning the Police INITIATE harm against bad people or use it to punish them?
Why not read it as I believe the quote was meant: It takes rough (tough) men to be able and willing to deal with some of the viscious sociopaths out there who would prey upon innocent people.
matis
The whole point of self defense as a right is nobody else can do that job for you. Not your government, not the police. In the end, you are responsible for your own safety.
Also, it is not the job of the police to do do violence upon anybody. If you depend upon your police to harm bad people so you can be safe, then, welcome to a police-state.
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And to think, Weimadog, I used to be almost as extreme a libertarian as you sound here.
Ultimately it is, of course, your OWN responsibility, but you'd be pretty busy fighting off bad guys without the protection of soldiers and the police.
Your second paragraph above is totally over the edge. Why do you read the quote as meaning the Police INITIATE harm against bad people or use it to punish them?
Why not read it as I believe the quote was meant: It takes rough (tough) men to be able and willing to deal with some of the viscious sociopaths out there who would prey upon innocent people.
matis
To a great extent, you're right, Weimadog. The individual is ultimately responsible for his or her well-being. That said, it is indisputable that many people do sleep more soundly, knowing that help is a phonecall away.
Oleg's poster is not a direct contradiction in his prior themes; they are not mutually exclusive.
Oleg's poster is not a direct contradiction in his prior themes; they are not mutually exclusive.
I'd like to see the shot with a less urban background, so as to be more representative of half the cops out there. (like me!)
If I get a chance tonight, Oleg, I'll try to shoot a high-res shot of a more rural background (with a few sparse porch lights in it) to email to you.
If I get a chance tonight, Oleg, I'll try to shoot a high-res shot of a more rural background (with a few sparse porch lights in it) to email to you.
Oleg Volk
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Much as I think I am responsible for my own safety, the overall rule of law does deter some critters from acting as warlords. Those who aren't deterred tend to get captured or killed. Most of the violence employed by cops is done in self-defense, but they do bring some bad hominids to trial and eventual punishment.
I relaly ought to add a military figure in the foreground as well.
Will do a rural variant.
I even received one complaint from a female cop about this poster excluding her.
I relaly ought to add a military figure in the foreground as well.
Will do a rural variant.
I even received one complaint from a female cop about this poster excluding her.
tlhelmer
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Matt, They look just fine to me. Our uniform is two colors as well.
seeker_two
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Well done, Oleg.
A respectful and tasteful photograph of a typical officer's load-out...
...though I don't know many LEO's who have THAT nice a butt.
Good job...
A respectful and tasteful photograph of a typical officer's load-out...
...though I don't know many LEO's who have THAT nice a butt.
Good job...
matis
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The poster arrived, Oleg.
Signif. Other (cop's sister-in-law) agrees with me that it's beautiful and an excellent sentiment.
Now to find a flat black frame and present it to him.
I'll keep you posted (couldn't resist the pun!).
Thanks,
matis
Signif. Other (cop's sister-in-law) agrees with me that it's beautiful and an excellent sentiment.
Now to find a flat black frame and present it to him.
I'll keep you posted (couldn't resist the pun!).
Thanks,
matis
Oleg my friend,
This is the first poster of yours that I actually do not like.
I think that if the "average" (i.e.; non-gunner, sheep-type) person saw it, it would only strengthen their dependence on the state for safety.
They could point to it and say, "Look! The police will keep us safe!"
That is the message that I take from it; the police will keep you safe.
That quote, whomever came up with it, most certainly was not talking about the police, at least it would make absolutely no sense to me if he were.
I think it would be far better if you changed it to a soldier.
This is the first poster of yours that I actually do not like.
I think that if the "average" (i.e.; non-gunner, sheep-type) person saw it, it would only strengthen their dependence on the state for safety.
They could point to it and say, "Look! The police will keep us safe!"
That is the message that I take from it; the police will keep you safe.
That quote, whomever came up with it, most certainly was not talking about the police, at least it would make absolutely no sense to me if he were.
I think it would be far better if you changed it to a soldier.
artherd
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Drjones, nothing in life is a guarentee, and as has been proved both annecdoctally, and legally, you are ultimately responsible for your own safety.
However, there are good men and women out there, who on a daily basis, place themselves knowingly between good citizens, and murderous sociaopaths. They do not guarentee us safety, but they sure as hell risk their lives TRYING. (and yes, that counts for a lot.)
They are the front lines, (however, while I may be back in the rear with the gear thanks to them, I'm still very much armed
However, there are good men and women out there, who on a daily basis, place themselves knowingly between good citizens, and murderous sociaopaths. They do not guarentee us safety, but they sure as hell risk their lives TRYING. (and yes, that counts for a lot.)
They are the front lines, (however, while I may be back in the rear with the gear thanks to them, I'm still very much armed
artherd:
I agree and I forgot to mention in my post that I have nothing but support and goodwill in my heart and mind for our LEOs, Firemen, EMT's and other such servants.
I just don't trust them to always be there when I need them, and it bothers me that so many mindlessly do. :banghead:
I agree and I forgot to mention in my post that I have nothing but support and goodwill in my heart and mind for our LEOs, Firemen, EMT's and other such servants.
I just don't trust them to always be there when I need them, and it bothers me that so many mindlessly do. :banghead:
Gocart
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Folks, the cop in the poster has never guaranteed anyone anything other than to respond to people in need and assist if possible. If that means placing himself in harms way for the benefit of those whom he does not know, or those who do not appreciate his sacrifice, so be it.
To those of you who think that relying on law enforcement personnel diminishes your rights or lessens your independence, I think you are wrong. Oleg has paid a great tribute to leo's and military folks everywhere. Oleg, thanks for sharing your gift with us.
To those of you who think that relying on law enforcement personnel diminishes your rights or lessens your independence, I think you are wrong. Oleg has paid a great tribute to leo's and military folks everywhere. Oleg, thanks for sharing your gift with us.
j.wise
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Oleg- great poster! I like it. Well, the light blue pants aren't my cup of tea (mine are dark blue), but that's not the point.
Oleg stated in the subject line, "a little something for the cops here." This poster was intended to be viewed (and appreciated) by the "cops here", NOT the sheeple. This poster should be rated "NS", or something (No Sheeple.) The posters who stated it could be taken out of context by sheeple to lull them into helplessness are correct. However, I think this mature audience can handle it.
As an officer, I am called out to "stand in the gap" between the weak (sheeple) and their pedators every day. Some I meet with violence (justified, by myself or the person I am protecting), when the sheeple can't or won't visit violence upon their predators themselves. Others are met with my mere presence and they comply with the rule of law.
Far too often, I arrive late. I never meet the opposition, but instead am given the perp's description (race/sex/age/etc...) This gets VERY frustrating. I want to stop criminal acts, not just report them. This is why I do my best to educate the victims, so that they can become more responsible for their own safety.
I inform, equip, and counsel the sheep as to how they can get out of the situation they have found themselves in. On a rare occasion, I have turned the sheep into sheepdogs (taught a woman to use the firearms in the house, in case the threat came back.) These are the memories I enjoy.
I agree that the quote works best with the image of the military, but I think it's true of us cops, too.
Oleg stated in the subject line, "a little something for the cops here." This poster was intended to be viewed (and appreciated) by the "cops here", NOT the sheeple. This poster should be rated "NS", or something (No Sheeple.) The posters who stated it could be taken out of context by sheeple to lull them into helplessness are correct. However, I think this mature audience can handle it.
As an officer, I am called out to "stand in the gap" between the weak (sheeple) and their pedators every day. Some I meet with violence (justified, by myself or the person I am protecting), when the sheeple can't or won't visit violence upon their predators themselves. Others are met with my mere presence and they comply with the rule of law.
Far too often, I arrive late. I never meet the opposition, but instead am given the perp's description (race/sex/age/etc...) This gets VERY frustrating. I want to stop criminal acts, not just report them. This is why I do my best to educate the victims, so that they can become more responsible for their own safety.
I inform, equip, and counsel the sheep as to how they can get out of the situation they have found themselves in. On a rare occasion, I have turned the sheep into sheepdogs (taught a woman to use the firearms in the house, in case the threat came back.) These are the memories I enjoy.
I agree that the quote works best with the image of the military, but I think it's true of us cops, too.
BluesBear
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I like the poster as is.
But how about a suggestion for a companion piece?
The same text, but with a photo of a soldier, a cop, a nurse, a fireman, a farmer and a person in a suit or an average guy in a polo shirt.
You might want to change the word men to people.
Heros and sheepdogs come in all shapes, sizes and sexes.
Just a thought.
But how about a suggestion for a companion piece?
The same text, but with a photo of a soldier, a cop, a nurse, a fireman, a farmer and a person in a suit or an average guy in a polo shirt.
You might want to change the word men to people.
Heros and sheepdogs come in all shapes, sizes and sexes.
Just a thought.
Oleg Volk
Moderator Emeritus
Will redo. Insead of "only because rough men" will put "because others". Can do a military figure and a couple of civvies, including a cop. By the way, did you notice that the model for this photo chimed in on this thread?
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