A malfunction every 28 rounds... Hi-Point C9

[BudW]

One gun tested, not what I would call scientific, does the tester have a agenda?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Ergonomics-----------------Same grip angle

Grip shape is the biggest part in ergonomics.

Compact size---------------Overall length same (Hi-Point is wider)

Width makes all the difference.

Capacity-------------------7 rounds compared to 9 rounds

Hi Points have a longer grip and you can get many different capacity magazines. 8 round magazines are the industry standard for 1911s now.

Other features that the Hi Point doesn't have is a proper external slide lock that allows for faster reloads and a extremely large aftermarket support to set up the gun to exactly what you want.

Hi Points are decent handguns but they don't really compare to 1911s other than being a handgun.

 

[ljnowell]

1911 Colt Commander

Weight 32.5/33 oz
Length 7.75
Barrel length 4.25 in (Commander model)
Capacity 7-round standard detachable box magazine

Hi-Point JHP 45ACP

Weight 35 oz
Length 7.75 in
Barrel length 4.5 in
Capacity 9-round standard detachable box magazine (or modified 7 rd 1911 mags)

Ergonomics-----------------Same grip angle

Compact size---------------Overall length same (Hi-Point is wider)

Capacity-------------------7 rounds compared to 9 rounds

Trigger---------------------Single action 1911 should be better

Sights----------------------Similar (Hi-Point does include a ghost ring sight for free)

Price-----------------------Hi-Point is less expensive

Warranty-------------------Hi-Point is better



Side note: I don’t own a Hi-Point, but my next firearm will be a Hi-Point JHP Model in 45 ACP.

I'm not sure why you picked the 1911, because that wasnt even what I had in mind.

First, grip angle isnt the only aspect of ergonomics. There is grip thickness, diameter, grip shape, safety location, mag feed entry, balance, recoil impulse, etc. Cherry picking some dimensions and saying and comparing it in that way is just like saying "look its just like a 1911 in its ergos" which couldnt be more false.

Since its polymer it would be a much better comparison to an xd, m&p, Glock, etc. All of which have better ergonomics, even the glock.

Look, why not just take it for what it is, a good, cheap handgun. Its nothing more or less.

Yes I understand that, my point was that you shouldn't try to compare the quality to a gun twice the price. I don't think anyone will try to tell you that a Hi Point is as high quality as an XDM but for what it is the quality is sufficient.

Look at the post directly below yours. People do it all the time.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

One gun tested, not what I would call scientific, does the tester have a agenda?

Not sure about an agenda, but likely a budget. Hi-Point produced 398,889 C9 handguns the most recent 5 years data is available (2006-2010, inclusive). To do testing that would be considered scientific, or at least statistically significant for the guns produced over that time, one would need to need a much larger sample than one pistol, of course. If we wanted to be 95% confident of the percentage of guns that would have the same results as our test guns, +/-5%, we'd only need to test 384 guns. Buying 384 at once, I bet we could get a pretty good discount and maybe get them down to around $110 each. That means we only need to come up with $42,240 for the guns. To duplicate the test, we'd need 2,200 rounds of 9mm for each gun. That's 844,800 rounds. I bet we'd get a better discount if we went for an even million, but let's say we manage to get them for 12 cents a round ($120/1000). That means our ammo budget is $101,376.

For a mere $143,616, we can scientifically reproduce this test with a reasonable amount of confidence.

Who's in?

(I think. I'm a little rusty at stats these days. )

 

[Brockak47]

What's the point of this thread? to bash Hi-point?

 

[TimboKhan]

Bashing hi-points or any other brand is unacceptable.

This has remained relatively civil, but I am closing it before it gets overly heated, which I am already seeing the signs of.