A modern Destroyer carbine?
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ApacheCoTodd
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I think there's a place for it. Limited, but a place.
A quiet, short-stroke action... then, suppressed.
Some bolt action actions are so damn noisy on cocking but given the right one - the right caliber and suppressed? I'm in.
Todd.
A quiet, short-stroke action... then, suppressed.
Some bolt action actions are so damn noisy on cocking but given the right one - the right caliber and suppressed? I'm in.
Todd.
Radagast
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lisle_carbine.
You could have a custom De-Lisle built on an Armalon action.
You could have a custom De-Lisle built on an Armalon action.
WestKentucky
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Well that tears it. Signature line changed.Gotta love auto spell correct. LOL!
WestKentucky
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That armscorp rifle actually looks great online. I may now have justification to sell a motorcycle and buy a pair of 22 tcms...one rifle, one pistol. Hey that puts me in the 1911 game too.
commygun
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I'd buy a wood-stocked, iron-sighted, bolt-action carbine in 9mm in a flash. Or a break-open single-shot.
Radagast
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I had the chance to dry fire a replica Delisle today. Interesting concept, stiff, slow bolt and the hammer fall is surprisingly loud in a closed room. Funky, but not something I would spend money on.
Corn-Picker
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If you want a break-open single shot, there are plenty of companies that will make you a 9mm barrel for the T/C Contender or Encore. Wood stocks are available, as are a dozen or so varieties of iron sights.
Elm Creek Smith
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I was three feet away from buying an H&R Topper carbine in .357 Magnum with a 16¼ inch barrel. The guy that beat me to the rack walked off with it for $204.00 plus tax! If I find another one, I'll just buy it and take the heat from the wife!
ThomasT
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Elm Creek you should have bought that 357. I had one with the 16" barrel and open sights. My buddy saw it and had to have it. Its a shootin' dude.
I don't know what it is but I really like low powered rifles. There was an article on the destroyer carbine in shotgun news IIRC several years ago. I have wanted one ever since. Something about have a rifle chambered for a round strong enough to kill a deer but not travel for several hundred yards.
I have a marlin 9mm camp carbine and love it. Plus I have marlin 1894s in 32, 357 and 44 mag rounds. all of these will easily put lead in the chest of a man sized target at 200 yards. Forgot to ad that I also own a Hi-Point 9mm that my son borrowed. I guess its on permanent loan since he has had it for about 8 years now.
The 357 is my favorite firearm. I can load it down for small game with a a .360 round ball and with enough power for deer hunting. Plus with the right hollow point at high velocity it will not over penetrate. I shot a coyote once with a winchester 158gr hollow point loaded to around 1800fps and the bullet didn't make it through a broadside shot. It looked like someone took a chainsaw to that little dog. That was not a good deer load. Now I use 158gr soft points for deer hunting.
I don't know what it is but I really like low powered rifles. There was an article on the destroyer carbine in shotgun news IIRC several years ago. I have wanted one ever since. Something about have a rifle chambered for a round strong enough to kill a deer but not travel for several hundred yards.
I have a marlin 9mm camp carbine and love it. Plus I have marlin 1894s in 32, 357 and 44 mag rounds. all of these will easily put lead in the chest of a man sized target at 200 yards. Forgot to ad that I also own a Hi-Point 9mm that my son borrowed. I guess its on permanent loan since he has had it for about 8 years now.
The 357 is my favorite firearm. I can load it down for small game with a a .360 round ball and with enough power for deer hunting. Plus with the right hollow point at high velocity it will not over penetrate. I shot a coyote once with a winchester 158gr hollow point loaded to around 1800fps and the bullet didn't make it through a broadside shot. It looked like someone took a chainsaw to that little dog. That was not a good deer load. Now I use 158gr soft points for deer hunting.
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fireman 9731
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The 45acp Mauser conversion kit is on my short list. I just need a donor rifle. I like low-power rifles as well. I just love the thud of a 230 grain 45 slug smacking the berm a hundred yards out. Fired out of a rifle length barrel the noise wont make your ears bleed either.
I think the market for such a gun is much bigger than many estimate. Low recoil, low noise, low cost shooting but more umpf than a 22 and more loading options. Whats not to like? Semi-auto is over rated.
I think the market for such a gun is much bigger than many estimate. Low recoil, low noise, low cost shooting but more umpf than a 22 and more loading options. Whats not to like? Semi-auto is over rated.
I agree and like PCC's as well. Many people will say that they're outdated and should be replaced by a proper rifle caliber carbine, but I find a lot of utility in them. I'm a bit of an oddball, but life is better that way (to me, at least)...
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"Something about have a rifle chambered for a round strong enough to kill a deer but not travel for several hundred yards."
Dunno about the several hundred yards part, but I agree on the rest. That's why I'm such a fan of 7.62x25 (and hot loadings of the same) in a small carbine. It's sure hard to sell John Q Public on "less" gun for the same money, though. Perhaps the SIG and other PCCs are an indication this is changing.
For those who don't know, PCCs were historically open bolt, with every drawback to user function that entails. When the ATF declared them machineguns, production basically ended, since makers took a huge hit on inventory, and suddenly the business model didn't work with the much more expensive/difficult closed bolt configuration/conversion. Then you have the heavily-marketed connotation of PCCs with crime pushed in the 90's. It's basically taken 30 years to begin the recovery.
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Dunno about the several hundred yards part, but I agree on the rest. That's why I'm such a fan of 7.62x25 (and hot loadings of the same) in a small carbine. It's sure hard to sell John Q Public on "less" gun for the same money, though. Perhaps the SIG and other PCCs are an indication this is changing.
For those who don't know, PCCs were historically open bolt, with every drawback to user function that entails. When the ATF declared them machineguns, production basically ended, since makers took a huge hit on inventory, and suddenly the business model didn't work with the much more expensive/difficult closed bolt configuration/conversion. Then you have the heavily-marketed connotation of PCCs with crime pushed in the 90's. It's basically taken 30 years to begin the recovery.
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ThomasT
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barnbwt I am talking about the range of bottle neck rounds that will travel over a mile or more. I like rifles that will kill at woods ranges but will drop after a relativity short range. Of course if you lift the muzzle you can get a lot of range from most rounds but for normal shooting pistol style rounds will be spent in 2 or 3 hundred yards.
Most new shooters are so sold on AR type rifles that I don't think they will ever give a short range round a second glance. Too bad for them. Even a 30-30 shooting a lead bullet at 1300 to 1600 fps is fun and will kill all the deer you want to kill.
Most new shooters are so sold on AR type rifles that I don't think they will ever give a short range round a second glance. Too bad for them. Even a 30-30 shooting a lead bullet at 1300 to 1600 fps is fun and will kill all the deer you want to kill.
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cluttonfred
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My ideal imaginary carbine, semi-auto or bolt, would be designed from the beginning to take a range of cartridges. For example, it might use a rotary magazine long enough to take up to .30 Carbine and wide and tall enough to take up to 10mm. Ditto the bolt travel and the bolt and breech diameters. Then one platform could easily fill a variety of roles in multiple calibers. The ability to take 7.62x25 including the hot-loaded SMG loads would definitely be on the list.
TexasPatriot.308
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Hi Point .45 carbine, cheapo, ugly, reliable, just makes sense
I have one, and yes they are. However, I also have the desire to build a .45 bolt gun. Different animal. It may be a fascination with the Delisle.
Surculus
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Something to remember about the DeLisle carbine: DeLisle was a hobbyist who was approached by the British wartime govt. [I forget the deets now, but it was probably the Special Branch following Churchill's order to "set Europe ablaze"] to come up with a silenced weapon for Commando use. The need was immediate and development had to be literally almost overnight. He took a silencer design with which he was familiar [his own], settled upon an existing, effective subsonic cartridge [.45acp] and a readily available & reliable weapon that could be speedily adapted [SMLE] to produce a weapon that did one job very well.
Your complaint about the hammer is irrelevant: the hammer fall can be as loud as you want in a closed room, as long as it still can't be heard in the next room over. [People in the same room as you generally know you're shooting at them!]
The bolt action provided for the means to slowly withdraw the spent cartridge & deposit it behind the magazine without ejection and causing a tell-tale of glinting brass to be spotted from a distance.
The DeLisle became legendary because it did one job [the quiet elimination of solitary sentries from ~100 yds] very well. Kind of the opposite of the "Bean Ball" grenade, which only ever managed to kill a few of the allied personnel trying to develop the weapon.
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