Nightcrawler
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They're not rifles; they're Heckler & Koch MP5 9mm submachine guns.
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TheeBadOne
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Boy was blue and without a pulse
Meskeram Alemu didn't have the words to thank the Calgary police officer who saved her baby's life.
A tearful hug, shared on the very spot where Sgt. Rob Williams resuscitated 18-month-old Jonathan, was all the exhausted mother could manage Saturday afternoon, just hours after her son was presented to the officer, limp, blue and lifeless.
Hugging the shawl and bag of clothes she'd dashed home to gather, Alemu struggled to express herself in a still-unfamiliar language.
"My baby's life, he saved it," she said quietly.
Earlier in the afternoon, it was that same language barrier that had Williams pulling up to the downtown apartment unsure of what he was walking into. Responding to a 911 hang-up call -- during which screaming was heard in the background -- Williams was prepared for a fight or a disturbance. Instead, he was met at the front door by Jonathan's distraught parents, the lifeless baby clutched in his mother's arms.
"His arms and legs were just hanging down," Williams said. "Both of the parents were hysterical, just screaming."
Jonathan's parents, recent immigrants from Ethiopia, rushed to put the baby in the police cruiser. Instead, Williams took the child from his mother and carried him into the warm foyer of the apartment.
"I checked for a pulse, but I couldn't find one, and he was blue," Williams said.
He quickly radioed for paramedics, and began CPR as the panicked parents clawed at his back and screamed.
"The mother thought the baby was dead, and she just wanted to touch him," Williams said.
After a few gentle chest compressions and light puffs of breath, Jonathan moaned. By the time he'd been moved into the ambulance, his eyes were open.
He was transported to Alberta Children's Hospital, where he was given Tylenol and was sleeping comfortably under his father's care as his mother dashed home.
Girma Worka, who identified himself as a relative, said the child had been running a temperature off and on since Friday.
"She had been giving him Tylenol," Worka said, while waiting to drive Alemu back to the hospital.
"Then he just started running around crazy all of a sudden, like he didn't know what to do. She tried to catch him so she could give him the medicine, and then his eyes rolled back and he collapsed."
Through Worka, Alemu said that nothing similar had ever happened before with Jonathan, the couple's only child.
Williams said another Calgary-area toddler had entered his thoughts as he breathed air back into Jonathan's lungs.
"A million things go through your mind, but I thought of that two-year-old girl in Airdrie who just died," he said, shaking his head. "I was thinking, I don't know, maybe that was what this was."
Jayden Tucker died Dec. 29 following complications from the flu, her parents said.
Williams was in the same situation five years before, when he responded to a drowning at Lake Sundance. A young girl was pulled from the water, and Williams brought her back to life with CPR. She'd been underwater for almost 15 minutes, though, and was critically ill. She passed away a week later.
Williams was relieved to hear how well Jonathan responded.
"It'd be nice to know why he stopped breathing in the first place, but it's great that he's doing well," he said.
Williams' life-saving efforts came less than 48 hours after police officers, paramedics and firefighters combined resources to save another infant's life.
On Thursday night, paramedics in the back of an ambulance worked to revive an eight-month-old baby who nearly drowned in a bathtub, while a firefighter drove at high speeds through intersections controlled by Calgary police between a northeast neighbourhood and the Alberta Children's Hospital in the city's southwest.
"Usually when we get a call like that it's a split-minute decision," said EMS spokesman Dallas Pierson.
A firefighter driving an ambulance is practically a daily occurrence, Pierson said, but it's rare for police to close down intersections. "It almost seems seamless when they have to do it," he said. "It flows so smoothly for us."
Pierson said the infant's condition is still listed as critical and life-threatening.
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Meskeram Alemu didn't have the words to thank the Calgary police officer who saved her baby's life.
A tearful hug, shared on the very spot where Sgt. Rob Williams resuscitated 18-month-old Jonathan, was all the exhausted mother could manage Saturday afternoon, just hours after her son was presented to the officer, limp, blue and lifeless.
Hugging the shawl and bag of clothes she'd dashed home to gather, Alemu struggled to express herself in a still-unfamiliar language.
"My baby's life, he saved it," she said quietly.
Earlier in the afternoon, it was that same language barrier that had Williams pulling up to the downtown apartment unsure of what he was walking into. Responding to a 911 hang-up call -- during which screaming was heard in the background -- Williams was prepared for a fight or a disturbance. Instead, he was met at the front door by Jonathan's distraught parents, the lifeless baby clutched in his mother's arms.
"His arms and legs were just hanging down," Williams said. "Both of the parents were hysterical, just screaming."
Jonathan's parents, recent immigrants from Ethiopia, rushed to put the baby in the police cruiser. Instead, Williams took the child from his mother and carried him into the warm foyer of the apartment.
"I checked for a pulse, but I couldn't find one, and he was blue," Williams said.
He quickly radioed for paramedics, and began CPR as the panicked parents clawed at his back and screamed.
"The mother thought the baby was dead, and she just wanted to touch him," Williams said.
After a few gentle chest compressions and light puffs of breath, Jonathan moaned. By the time he'd been moved into the ambulance, his eyes were open.
He was transported to Alberta Children's Hospital, where he was given Tylenol and was sleeping comfortably under his father's care as his mother dashed home.
Girma Worka, who identified himself as a relative, said the child had been running a temperature off and on since Friday.
"She had been giving him Tylenol," Worka said, while waiting to drive Alemu back to the hospital.
"Then he just started running around crazy all of a sudden, like he didn't know what to do. She tried to catch him so she could give him the medicine, and then his eyes rolled back and he collapsed."
Through Worka, Alemu said that nothing similar had ever happened before with Jonathan, the couple's only child.
Williams said another Calgary-area toddler had entered his thoughts as he breathed air back into Jonathan's lungs.
"A million things go through your mind, but I thought of that two-year-old girl in Airdrie who just died," he said, shaking his head. "I was thinking, I don't know, maybe that was what this was."
Jayden Tucker died Dec. 29 following complications from the flu, her parents said.
Williams was in the same situation five years before, when he responded to a drowning at Lake Sundance. A young girl was pulled from the water, and Williams brought her back to life with CPR. She'd been underwater for almost 15 minutes, though, and was critically ill. She passed away a week later.
Williams was relieved to hear how well Jonathan responded.
"It'd be nice to know why he stopped breathing in the first place, but it's great that he's doing well," he said.
Williams' life-saving efforts came less than 48 hours after police officers, paramedics and firefighters combined resources to save another infant's life.
On Thursday night, paramedics in the back of an ambulance worked to revive an eight-month-old baby who nearly drowned in a bathtub, while a firefighter drove at high speeds through intersections controlled by Calgary police between a northeast neighbourhood and the Alberta Children's Hospital in the city's southwest.
"Usually when we get a call like that it's a split-minute decision," said EMS spokesman Dallas Pierson.
A firefighter driving an ambulance is practically a daily occurrence, Pierson said, but it's rare for police to close down intersections. "It almost seems seamless when they have to do it," he said. "It flows so smoothly for us."
Pierson said the infant's condition is still listed as critical and life-threatening.
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Moparmike
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TBO, no one here is going to deny that Peace Officers do far more good than harm on a whole, or even just locally.
Ex-Doc, that picture is friggin scary. And what if he isnt watching his bike at all times? It only takes a second or two to take that off (or else it wouldnt be on there like that) when the cop isnt looking. And anyone can buy MP5 mags and 9mm ammo. Viola, one HOT full-auto un-registered MP5 in the hands of a criminal. That is not only scary in a JBT sense, but also in a criminally negligent sense too.
Ex-Doc, that picture is friggin scary. And what if he isnt watching his bike at all times? It only takes a second or two to take that off (or else it wouldnt be on there like that) when the cop isnt looking. And anyone can buy MP5 mags and 9mm ammo. Viola, one HOT full-auto un-registered MP5 in the hands of a criminal. That is not only scary in a JBT sense, but also in a criminally negligent sense too.
TheeBadOne
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Off-duty officer saves couple in car fire
An off duty police officer saved a couple from a burning car on Friday night. The couple's car crashed on Maplewood Drive. Rochester police are still investigating the cause of the one car accident, but belive alcohol may have been a factor. Police say the couple's vehicle hit a rock, flipped on its side and then burst into flames. The off-duty officer happened by the accident scene and stopped to pull the victims from the burning car. Police have charged the driver of the vehicle, Genaro Sanches, Jr., with driving without a license. His passenger, Peggy Ellebree, is suffering life-threatening injuries and was taken to Rochester General Hospital.
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An off duty police officer saved a couple from a burning car on Friday night. The couple's car crashed on Maplewood Drive. Rochester police are still investigating the cause of the one car accident, but belive alcohol may have been a factor. Police say the couple's vehicle hit a rock, flipped on its side and then burst into flames. The off-duty officer happened by the accident scene and stopped to pull the victims from the burning car. Police have charged the driver of the vehicle, Genaro Sanches, Jr., with driving without a license. His passenger, Peggy Ellebree, is suffering life-threatening injuries and was taken to Rochester General Hospital.
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Moparmike,
This is in Torrance, CA, an incorp city in L.A. Bordered by Compton, Long Beach, City of Los Angeles. I have seen a moto officer park and walk over 50 feet away into a restaurant for lunch out of site for over 30 mins.
The MP5's have replaced all shotguns in the cruisers and on bikes in Torrance. Tactical beer belly not included.....
This is in Torrance, CA, an incorp city in L.A. Bordered by Compton, Long Beach, City of Los Angeles. I have seen a moto officer park and walk over 50 feet away into a restaurant for lunch out of site for over 30 mins.
The MP5's have replaced all shotguns in the cruisers and on bikes in Torrance. Tactical beer belly not included.....
You know, Ex-Doc-- those MP-5's are locked to the bikes with a pretty serious lock, don't you? (note red circle.) That lock goes around the front of the receiver and the entire bolt handle (making it impossible to charge the weapon or fire it), and the better ones would actually require the subgun to be broken to break the lock. Some of them actually have alarms on 'em. What's the difference between a cop leaving his bike with that locked to it, and a cop leaving his patrol car with a shotgun locked in a rack inside? Answer: a pane of windowglass.
As for the tactical beer belly (green circle), please remember that there's at least a level II --and likely a level IIIA-- vest under that guy's uniform. He's also leaning forward. (Which bunches up the abs, pushing out the belly of even a supermodel) He also looks to be about 40. Be mighty careful with the judgement, friend.
What's the problem with putting carbines on a motorcycle?
As for the tactical beer belly (green circle), please remember that there's at least a level II --and likely a level IIIA-- vest under that guy's uniform. He's also leaning forward. (Which bunches up the abs, pushing out the belly of even a supermodel) He also looks to be about 40. Be mighty careful with the judgement, friend.
What's the problem with putting carbines on a motorcycle?
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I`d be very nervous if I had a MP5 or any exposed long weapon on my wheel. That`s just me though. When someone starts posting that weapons are being stolen en masse from police motors I guess it`ll prove a point.
The original photo would be specious at best if it was posted with an agenda. Why wasn`t there another photo showing the 4000 police officers who were there in their class A uniforms which aren`t very warm or comfortable especially if one is out there for 12 to 16 hours? The pic leaves the impression that all the officers assigned to crowd control were ninjas.
There were times when I wished I had a balaclava. We couldn`t even wear something like a turtleneck under the nylon duty jacket until 1994 when Bratton took over. Regular shirt and tie (not real warm) which couldn`t even be seen since the jacket was supposed to be zipped up. We did it for the sheeple. Hand wringing was one reason for duty uniform choices.
We`re not becoming a third world country. We`re at war with medieval forces who will kill you, your family and your dog just for the heck of it.
The original photo would be specious at best if it was posted with an agenda. Why wasn`t there another photo showing the 4000 police officers who were there in their class A uniforms which aren`t very warm or comfortable especially if one is out there for 12 to 16 hours? The pic leaves the impression that all the officers assigned to crowd control were ninjas.
There were times when I wished I had a balaclava. We couldn`t even wear something like a turtleneck under the nylon duty jacket until 1994 when Bratton took over. Regular shirt and tie (not real warm) which couldn`t even be seen since the jacket was supposed to be zipped up. We did it for the sheeple. Hand wringing was one reason for duty uniform choices.
We`re not becoming a third world country. We`re at war with medieval forces who will kill you, your family and your dog just for the heck of it.
fix
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Let's be careful dropping "tip of the spear" references when referring to LE. LE is most definitely NOT on the sharp end of the stick. The government uses the spear to deal with others. Not American citizens. Any suggestions otherwise do nothing but further the argument that the police have become militarized. If you want to feel like you're on the tip of the spear, go join the Marine Corps. Being a cop is serving the public, and consequently requires a different attitude.
Hkmp5sd
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A Glock and a MP5...my favorite combination!
Any idea who makes/sells the mounting bracket?
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Fix, you said a mouthful!
Sometimes I wonder if there's not some amount of confusion about who's paid to wage war and who's paid to protect and serve the public. I'll give you a hint, the guys on the pointy end of the spear have their paychecks issued by the DoD. Not a lot of balaclavas worn by that group, either.
I thought about that today while watching across the runway as a pair of the BATF's former OV-10 Broncos took off, practicing their new mission. (spraying Round-Up on South American cocaine and marijuana fields for the State Department, another "war" of dubious value)
Sometimes I wonder if there's not some amount of confusion about who's paid to wage war and who's paid to protect and serve the public. I'll give you a hint, the guys on the pointy end of the spear have their paychecks issued by the DoD. Not a lot of balaclavas worn by that group, either.
I thought about that today while watching across the runway as a pair of the BATF's former OV-10 Broncos took off, practicing their new mission. (spraying Round-Up on South American cocaine and marijuana fields for the State Department, another "war" of dubious value)
Good Evening All-
Business responsibilities take me to Manhattan several times per month. In my travels, I see greater and greater numbers of officers toting M4 rifles, Mini-14s, MP5s, etc., etc.
Each day I pick up the newspaper and see gratuitous photographs of officers cradling various 3-round-burst capable weapons. They're wearing matte black helmets that very eerily suggest "1943" to many people familiar with period military equipment. This would almost be understandable in Manhattan, but we're seeing it out in Podunk, too.
A synagogue near my home had an unspecified threat (reported by telephone) which resulted in black-clad, balaclava-wearing, rifle-toting officers guarding the place for three or four days...and this hoopla was probably caused by a bunch of kids with a fistful of quarters and access to a payphone.
As a huge fan of the police, coming from a police family, and married into yet another police family, I find this disconcerting. It saddens me that many find this militarization trend "OK" with no healthy skepticism at all. IMHO, the sentiment should be along these lines:
"...Guys, we're TEMPORARILY cutting you some slack until this terrorist threat is licked...but then it is back to blue shirts, blue pants, and ties to best serve the taxpayers in an approachable, community-focused fashion..."
Regards,
~ Blue Jays ~
Business responsibilities take me to Manhattan several times per month. In my travels, I see greater and greater numbers of officers toting M4 rifles, Mini-14s, MP5s, etc., etc.
Each day I pick up the newspaper and see gratuitous photographs of officers cradling various 3-round-burst capable weapons. They're wearing matte black helmets that very eerily suggest "1943" to many people familiar with period military equipment. This would almost be understandable in Manhattan, but we're seeing it out in Podunk, too.
A synagogue near my home had an unspecified threat (reported by telephone) which resulted in black-clad, balaclava-wearing, rifle-toting officers guarding the place for three or four days...and this hoopla was probably caused by a bunch of kids with a fistful of quarters and access to a payphone.
As a huge fan of the police, coming from a police family, and married into yet another police family, I find this disconcerting. It saddens me that many find this militarization trend "OK" with no healthy skepticism at all. IMHO, the sentiment should be along these lines:
"...Guys, we're TEMPORARILY cutting you some slack until this terrorist threat is licked...but then it is back to blue shirts, blue pants, and ties to best serve the taxpayers in an approachable, community-focused fashion..."
Regards,
~ Blue Jays ~
JPM70535
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As a former LEO (retired) I find myself in complete agreement with the members who find the tendency of police departments to dress, look and act like SWAT teams. IMO , black leather gloves, shaved heads, jump boots. and jack-booted tactics have no place in every day Police work. No citizen is goibg to respond favorably to a LEO who looks or acts as if he were dealing with known terrorists.
John Q Citizen , (llaw abiding) should be treated with the respect due him.
My philosophy which always proved to be applicable was that it was gfar easier to talk a violator into jail than to resort to physical confrontation, and as a plus, far less time was spent filling out Use of force forms, and explaining to a supervisor just why the violator had to be hospitalized.
for those of us who have lots of skin showing above the neck through no fault of our own (age), we are excused.h
John Q Citizen , (llaw abiding) should be treated with the respect due him.
My philosophy which always proved to be applicable was that it was gfar easier to talk a violator into jail than to resort to physical confrontation, and as a plus, far less time was spent filling out Use of force forms, and explaining to a supervisor just why the violator had to be hospitalized.
for those of us who have lots of skin showing above the neck through no fault of our own (age), we are excused.h
TheeBadOne
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This would be funny if it weren't so serious.
We all complain about the label "Assault Weapon" & "Assault Rifle", and "Black Rifle" because what is important is not how something looks, but how it behaves/is used.
This complaining about Cops wearing BDU's is no different.
The "militarization of Police" is an overhyped overused term. Some may wear BDU's, none act like military units (except for small unit SWAT teams which make up the very smallest fraction of Police). Your complaint of their equipment is exactly what you cry foul about when someone says it about yours.
Once again, if "Bad looking rifle" is not valid, neither is "Bad looking Cop".
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We all complain about the label "Assault Weapon" & "Assault Rifle", and "Black Rifle" because what is important is not how something looks, but how it behaves/is used.
This complaining about Cops wearing BDU's is no different.
The "militarization of Police" is an overhyped overused term. Some may wear BDU's, none act like military units (except for small unit SWAT teams which make up the very smallest fraction of Police). Your complaint of their equipment is exactly what you cry foul about when someone says it about yours.
Once again, if "Bad looking rifle" is not valid, neither is "Bad looking Cop".
2 cents.
a pistol grip pump shotgun looks more evil to me than a mp5. The issue is issuing SUBMACHINE GUNS to TRAFFIC cops. Notice the moto officers are in classic police uniform. It's the FUNCTION not the look....for me anyways....
speaking of looks our society uses uniforms to identify status/profession. Firefighters, police, nurses, military,etc. all have their appropriate application and time....being pulled over by a BDU, baclavaed cop with mp5 would scare me similar to a firefighter in full gear and respirator and axe pounding on my front door; I wouldn't be expecting a traffic citation or to buy tickets to the fire dept's charity event.....***?! Oh S#$T! would be my first reaction to both.....
During my military service wearing BDU's in public would get you into deep S#$T.....I would have to use the drive thru to get fast food to eat or change into civies.
speaking of looks our society uses uniforms to identify status/profession. Firefighters, police, nurses, military,etc. all have their appropriate application and time....being pulled over by a BDU, baclavaed cop with mp5 would scare me similar to a firefighter in full gear and respirator and axe pounding on my front door; I wouldn't be expecting a traffic citation or to buy tickets to the fire dept's charity event.....***?! Oh S#$T! would be my first reaction to both.....
During my military service wearing BDU's in public would get you into deep S#$T.....I would have to use the drive thru to get fast food to eat or change into civies.
Fred Thompson
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I myself find it very ironic that these cycle officers should be open carrying sub-guns in California.
natedog
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Der Polizeioffizier hat ein U-Boot Maschinenpisole auf dem Motorrad!!
natedog
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If you ask me, it's only a matter of time...
Amazing, when the LA bank robbery occured dang near everyone here was standing on soapboxes lamenting how ill-equiped law enforcement was to handle such a situation. They fix the problem and now they are JBTs. Im not GENERALLY pro-cop but im even less pro-hypocrisy.
nero45acp
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I am more afraid of the militarization of civilian police than I am of any terrorist. The seeds of tyranny flourish in the soil of fear.
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fix
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Shave your head, wear your gloves, and most definitely pack a rifle if the situation calls for one (BGs in armor, BGs with long guns, multiple BGs, etc).
Now this is just my opinion, based on my observation of my local PD (very small town).
They recently approved an alternate uniform that may be worn at the officer's discretion, consisting of cargo pants (not to be bloused), polo shirt, normal duty belt, black boots/shoes. Seems perfectly reasonable and appropriate to me, not to mention cheaper. Shotguns are being replaced by post ban (read: the same thing I can get) 16" AR carbines with Aimpoint optics. Makes sense to me too. Now we get to the problem. The mere presence of the new equipment and "tactical" clothing (I consider it practical myself, but I digress) has transformed the attitudes of many of our officers...in a very bad way. They now seem to view themselves as warriors rather than servants. In my opinion...no, scratch that...IN FACT, this is not a good thing. The references to the "tip of the spear" get thrown around quite a bit. Interestingly, the officers who do not display this "new attitude" are almost always former military personnel who are fully aware of what the above phrase actually means. The officers with the "tude" are not. I have no idea what this means, as I am not a head shrinker. What I do know, is that someone who is so easily drawn into a fantasyland has no business in law enforcement. This is the kind of behavior that immature teenagers often display. So what's my point?
If you are a law enforcement officer, take a good look at yourself and your attitude. If there is something that needs to be fixed, do it. You are a servant, not a master. You are there to protect and serve, not to close with and destroy. If you have the proper attitude, I don't give two shakes of a cat's tail what you wear or carry in the performance of your duties.
TheeBadOne
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fix
Very well said Sir.
Good Morning All-
Fix, JPM70535, and Nero45ACP, wow...you guys are right on target with your posts.
It seems that these latest "tactical trappings" have literally transformed the mindset of officers (especially younger ones) practically overnight.
Many officers are very discreet and can practically "hide" an AR-15 while walking the streets. They converse with passersby, offer directions, and smile courteously. It is an absolute pleasure to interact with these professionals. These folks tend to be older and/or former military.
Others get a big kick out of propping the weapon butt on their hip in a "high ready" technique and wear a constant Billy Idol-esque snarl. The sad state of affairs is that I'm witnessing more and more of this type of officer. Clearly, this is not a scientific study...just based on casual observations. If they could stand in a circle with six other officers and not speak a single word to John Q. Public all day, they would love it.
In my opinion, younger officers need extensive guidance from older, wiser, streetsmart officers. Even if it means bringing some guys out of retirement for ridealongs and general coaching. The older officer should also be slated as the ranking officer to help shape the future of law enforcement.
JMHO,
~ Blue Jays ~
Fix, JPM70535, and Nero45ACP, wow...you guys are right on target with your posts.
It seems that these latest "tactical trappings" have literally transformed the mindset of officers (especially younger ones) practically overnight.
Many officers are very discreet and can practically "hide" an AR-15 while walking the streets. They converse with passersby, offer directions, and smile courteously. It is an absolute pleasure to interact with these professionals. These folks tend to be older and/or former military.
Others get a big kick out of propping the weapon butt on their hip in a "high ready" technique and wear a constant Billy Idol-esque snarl. The sad state of affairs is that I'm witnessing more and more of this type of officer. Clearly, this is not a scientific study...just based on casual observations. If they could stand in a circle with six other officers and not speak a single word to John Q. Public all day, they would love it.
In my opinion, younger officers need extensive guidance from older, wiser, streetsmart officers. Even if it means bringing some guys out of retirement for ridealongs and general coaching. The older officer should also be slated as the ranking officer to help shape the future of law enforcement.
JMHO,
~ Blue Jays ~
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