To be cynical, I would guess he brought the worst of the worst to prove a point; guns are bad. And I would venture to guess he is not a gun advocate. That said, most of the gsw's I have had are merely holes and some blood. Ones to the head do produce some brain matter on occasion and those shotgun blasts to the head can produce exactly what you can imagine. But having seen people hit by cars at 75 on the fwy or someone that jumped under a train make the gsw's minor in comparison.
A real eye opener, no flamewar intended.
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To be cynical, I would guess he brought the worst of the worst to prove a point; guns are bad. And I would venture to guess he is not a gun advocate. That said, most of the gsw's I have had are merely holes and some blood. Ones to the head do produce some brain matter on occasion and those shotgun blasts to the head can produce exactly what you can imagine. But having seen people hit by cars at 75 on the fwy or someone that jumped under a train make the gsw's minor in comparison.
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Rob, I wouldn't make that assumption. For one thing, Dilla's level of gore ennui may not be similar to yours. For another, guns DO create graphic wounds.
And Jeff, I wouldn't worry about it. You're SUPPOSED to be sober about the responsibility of using a gun. It's OK. It can't all be lighthearted hijinks or someone will get killed.
And Jeff, I wouldn't worry about it. You're SUPPOSED to be sober about the responsibility of using a gun. It's OK. It can't all be lighthearted hijinks or someone will get killed.
RobG5538, Surprisingly, while the medical examiner didn't come right out and say he was pro-gun, several times he reiterated the fact that the homicides and suicides were the results of choices that people made and similar statements. The actual professor of the course is pro-gun. The class before the GSW lecture, the lecture was all about different firearms and he brought in several of his own collection to demonstrate and showed us his ccw. He also made note of the 4 rules of safety numerous times. I was pleasantly surprised.
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What dmazur said - good reminder - we should all be aware of what guns can do. Which is why Eddie Eagle should be teaching in ALL grade schools (stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult), and all middle & high schools should have gun safety classes mandatory (along with my idea of 1 semester mandatory classes on both capitalism and logic).
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I'm a safety officer for a formula car team, and in working with safety equipment from an engineering point of view you have to research failures and what caused them. I respect my firearms and the physics of what they can do, but in the big wide world of mayhem they are nothing. I'd much rather be shot in the head than have twelve bones broken and then die upside down in a burning racecar.Every animal I've ever killed died within 3 or 4 seconds if that long. We do indeed have powerful tools, and they must be respected in regards to their consequences. That having been said I see much more stupidity and carelessness involving vehicles and chemical compounds (drugs) than firearms.
browningguy
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Knife wounds can be pretty ugly too.
ErikS
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I dont see anything bad with getting a reality check, even though they can be a bit disturbing at first.
I remember when I was doing military service, and the officers gave us one that in some cases was really needed. (with mandatory service, many of the soldiers only knew guns from the movies) Seeing with their own eyes that our helmets didn't stop bullets, that a tree was concealment and not cover, what a bullet did to a plastic jug full of water, and that blanks was still dangerous 10-15 feet away was an eyeopener to a lot of the guys.
Allthough not as graphic as yours, I dont think it's a bad thing to get a reminder from time to time what the tool you are using can do.
Just like a car. A part of drivers ed here is to drive on a slips runway, where the car skids, and then try to steer through it. Really opens your eyes on how hard it is to handle a car that starts skidding on icy roads, and how fast you can get into trouble. A very good reality check too.
I remember when I was doing military service, and the officers gave us one that in some cases was really needed. (with mandatory service, many of the soldiers only knew guns from the movies) Seeing with their own eyes that our helmets didn't stop bullets, that a tree was concealment and not cover, what a bullet did to a plastic jug full of water, and that blanks was still dangerous 10-15 feet away was an eyeopener to a lot of the guys.
Allthough not as graphic as yours, I dont think it's a bad thing to get a reminder from time to time what the tool you are using can do.
Just like a car. A part of drivers ed here is to drive on a slips runway, where the car skids, and then try to steer through it. Really opens your eyes on how hard it is to handle a car that starts skidding on icy roads, and how fast you can get into trouble. A very good reality check too.
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From personal experience, I didn't have a true respect for what guns were capable until I saw it first-hand. It was a very humbling experience and my respect for firearms and attitude towards the severity with which they should be used is forever changed. No matter what anybody says, people can be and have been hurt by firearms.
siglite
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Just a word to the hunters out there. I've pulled a 150gr soft point out of a deer I killed. And let me tell you, a destroyed deer in front of you is a totally thing than seeing the death of a human being.
I've watched a man die from a bullet. A .22. A friend. The impact of that is not in the same ballpark as watching a doe die quickly from a well placed shot. It's not even in the parking not. It's not even in the same CITY.
The gore is just gore. But human suffering is another thing. And not just the suffering of the person shot. But the endless waves of sadness and loss for the person's family and friends.
There is potential for unfathomable human pain in what we carry on our hips. And in what we drive. And in anything else we do which could potentially result in loss of life.
A sobering reminder every now and then is often very good for all of us.
But you cannot compare it to field-dressing bambi in the woods. That does the serious and reaching results of shooting a human being a grave disservice. You are comparing apples to oranges. Yes, you can cut them both in half with a knife. But there the similarity ends.
I've watched a man die from a bullet. A .22. A friend. The impact of that is not in the same ballpark as watching a doe die quickly from a well placed shot. It's not even in the parking not. It's not even in the same CITY.
The gore is just gore. But human suffering is another thing. And not just the suffering of the person shot. But the endless waves of sadness and loss for the person's family and friends.
There is potential for unfathomable human pain in what we carry on our hips. And in what we drive. And in anything else we do which could potentially result in loss of life.
A sobering reminder every now and then is often very good for all of us.
But you cannot compare it to field-dressing bambi in the woods. That does the serious and reaching results of shooting a human being a grave disservice. You are comparing apples to oranges. Yes, you can cut them both in half with a knife. But there the similarity ends.
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siglite, seeing the death of a human being is indeed incomparable to the death of an animal.
HOWEVER, the OP of this thread wasn't talking about seeing the death of a human being. He was talking about seeing dead human beings. So from the standpoint of seeing the physical damage a bullet can do, it is comparable with the experiences of hunters.
I understand your point, but I think you missed the original direction of the thread.
HOWEVER, the OP of this thread wasn't talking about seeing the death of a human being. He was talking about seeing dead human beings. So from the standpoint of seeing the physical damage a bullet can do, it is comparable with the experiences of hunters.
I understand your point, but I think you missed the original direction of the thread.
Aguila Blanca
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In the real world, people who get shot often die as a result.
This was a surprise somehow?
This was a surprise somehow?
siglite
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But the psychological impact *is* a LOT different. It is still apples to oranges.
Guns were designed to kill things and are pretty good at doing their job, I understand why some people want them banned as they are very deadly and one wrong action could easily lead to death.
On the other side of that, many other objects could lead to accidental or even intentional deaths as well.
Still I personally like them and used responsibly in a respective manor never leads to harm, banning me from gun ownership won't be a benefit to anyone.
On the other side of that, many other objects could lead to accidental or even intentional deaths as well.
Still I personally like them and used responsibly in a respective manor never leads to harm, banning me from gun ownership won't be a benefit to anyone.
Restorer
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We all seem to agree that human suffering as a result of gunshot trauma is terrible and sobering, worthy of deep reflection on your thinking about using firearms in defense of your person or of others.
However, if all other methods of defense fail and someone is going to have to suffer, I want it to be the other guy. If I need therapy after winning a gunfight I'll be happy to be around to pay said therapist. The bad operator can get therapy in a somewhat hotter environment.
In, brief, better him than me.
However, if all other methods of defense fail and someone is going to have to suffer, I want it to be the other guy. If I need therapy after winning a gunfight I'll be happy to be around to pay said therapist. The bad operator can get therapy in a somewhat hotter environment.
In, brief, better him than me.
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I work in a correctional max custody unit in AZ. I have seen damage done to people up close done with shanks, clubs, broom handles, fist, feet, and any other number of items you can think of. Guns are no more or less horrible than say a 7 in blade made from a fence tie that is stabbed into a person 56 times. People who shoot each other no matter the reason do damage. So do any other number of weapons. It is not guns but people who are responsible and should be held accountable. Of course the anti-gun people and others will show pictures that are horrible that is the way of it all. remember back in the day the blood on the windshield, it is all the same. Guns do not kill people, people kill people, accidents do not happen, they are created.
I work in a correctional max custody unit in AZ. I have seen damage done to people up close done with shanks, clubs, broom handles, fist, feet, and any other number of items you can think of. Guns are no more or less horrible than say a 7 in blade made from a fence tie that is stabbed into a person 56 times. People who shoot each other no matter the reason do damage. So do any other number of weapons. It is not guns but people who are responsible and should be held accountable. Of course the anti-gun people and others will show pictures that are horrible that is the way of it all. remember back in the day the blood on the windshield, it is all the same. Guns do not kill people, people kill people, accidents do not happen, they are created.
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