A serious question for LEO's
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cz75bdneos22
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Sir, I am not a police officer...But this subject is close to my heart at this time. That is, if you've read my previous post regarding this very same topic. Now, Do not resist any law enforcement officer's attempt to arrest you no matter what the circumnstances (legit or otherwise)..i kid you not. You could end up dead. A shield (badge) can bring you a lot of hurt both physically, mentally or financially...Officers are just people too. they make mistakes in judgement like the rest of us. they are no different regardless of their "attitude"...That said, Do what you gonna do, cuz I know what I'm gonna do..YMMV
Lupinus
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Unless you are about to be killed or have a mop handle shoved where no mop handle has gone before (I'm assuming anyway heh) your best course of action is to just smile say yes officer and think of all the ncie thigns you are going to spend with the tax dollars of your fellow citizens. Basicly save it unless you have nothing to loose from what they are going to do to you, otherwise it simply aint worth it and wont end in your favor. At best you are a fugative or in jail for a very long time cause unless you have one hell of a case you are done for if you shoot or kill a cop even if justified.
HankB
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There was a case in MN about 15 or so years back, a guy named Riley Housley III shot two cops who broke into his house. He was acquitted. Maybe they were plainclothes . . . it's been a while. (IIRC he got in some unrelated legal hot water later, so it would seem he wasn't actually a choirboy.)tuna said:
What worries me is that there have been a number of home invasions in TX in which armed BG's - wearing shirts or jackets with "POLICE" on them - have invaded homes for robbery, rape, etc. Not good. So unless you have enough time to look outside and observe a bunch of marked squad cars with lights on, uniformed officers milling around, etc., you really don't KNOW who's breaking in.
trueblue1776
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mmike87 said:
Maybe not as unlikely as you think. Cops are normal people, wouldn't it stand to reason that a percentage of the average population is going to be inclined to crime, there for (assuming cops are normal people) a percentage of cops would also be criminals?
I've said for a long time being a cop is less and less of a job for someone who wants a decent job with ok pay and more and more a "calling" for power addicts and people inclined to violence.
I am an LEO, there are a lot of creepy f***s out there that want to be cops. Anyone who wants to dog me out for saying that can go ahead.
-Hank
cz75bdneos22
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trueblue1776 said:
That, sir...is priceless.!
mmike87
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trueblue1776 said:
I appreciate your honesty. I am not familiar with the LE profession or the types of folks who apply, so I was just trying to reserve judement.
Mark in California
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If you match a killer's description, and you fight at anytime in the stop/arrest process, you will more than likly be shot and killed. The officer's are keyed up and also worried about being shot/injured/killed. More officers are coming all the time until the arrest is made. If you attack one, you have attacked them all. The first officers may be mistaken, but follow on officers will only see you fighting back. A murder trying to kill another officer. End of story.
If you do not resist, you will be cleared (mistaken ID) and can have your day in CIVIL Court. If they are really off the wall maybe Criminal Court. But the main thing is you live another day.
Just last month, we had a guy taken down by the police for armed robbery. After the arrest the police went into the business and found out there had not been a robbery. The phone call was bogus. The police released and appoligized to the person. If he had fought back it could have been sad.
If you do not resist, you will be cleared (mistaken ID) and can have your day in CIVIL Court. If they are really off the wall maybe Criminal Court. But the main thing is you live another day.
Just last month, we had a guy taken down by the police for armed robbery. After the arrest the police went into the business and found out there had not been a robbery. The phone call was bogus. The police released and appoligized to the person. If he had fought back it could have been sad.
Sean85746
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Let me grab my change so I can put in my two cents worth.
After a a total of 12 years in LE, 2 with county, then 12 years as a dreaded fed...I can say I have seen the wrong person arrested. I have NEVER seen them beaten IF they did not resist. I am not saying it doesn't happen, I am speaking to my own experience.
The absolute best advice I can render is COMPLY. Assume a very cooperative demeanor, and COMPLY. Keep your hands where they can be seen, and for the sake of your tender skin...let the officer/officer's know if you are armed.
Don't yell..."I got a gun!"
Calmly say...."Officer, I have a concealed (name the weapon) on my (name the place). My permit is in my wallet." MAKE NO MOVE toward the place where you have just told the officer your weapon is located. Keep your hands where they can be seen, and away from the weapon.
Don't get indignant. I know this is hard...your pride is a bear. But remember, the officer is looking for a real suspect. He is concerned for his own safety as well as the safety of brother officers, and the general public. He doesn't know you are a good guy too. Your attitude and demeanor will tell him a lot.
Remember, it will get sorted out in court, or more likely, right there on scene if it doesn't get to rollin' around on the ground butt kickin' time.
IF, in the unlikely event an unwarranted beating occurs...go down, cover your head and your nuts, and wait it out. I know that sounds like a bitter pill to swallow...but if you don't resist, and COMPLY you may get lumps, but you WON'T get DEAD.
If you truly do get an unwarranted beating...you can be assured you will be compensated.
I know that sucks too...but it IS reality. I don't advocate officers handing out whimsical butt whuppins...doon't get me wrong. All I am saying is, if you escalate it, you will lose. Even if you are "victorious"...a jury might not find that you acted in a reasonable manner, which is the yardstick an action such as that would be measured. It is a tough call, and one I don't want to make.
Just remember...COMPLY. If the officer says "Stop." STOP. Follow instructions, and do it calmly.
After a a total of 12 years in LE, 2 with county, then 12 years as a dreaded fed...I can say I have seen the wrong person arrested. I have NEVER seen them beaten IF they did not resist. I am not saying it doesn't happen, I am speaking to my own experience.
The absolute best advice I can render is COMPLY. Assume a very cooperative demeanor, and COMPLY. Keep your hands where they can be seen, and for the sake of your tender skin...let the officer/officer's know if you are armed.
Don't yell..."I got a gun!"
Calmly say...."Officer, I have a concealed (name the weapon) on my (name the place). My permit is in my wallet." MAKE NO MOVE toward the place where you have just told the officer your weapon is located. Keep your hands where they can be seen, and away from the weapon.
Don't get indignant. I know this is hard...your pride is a bear. But remember, the officer is looking for a real suspect. He is concerned for his own safety as well as the safety of brother officers, and the general public. He doesn't know you are a good guy too. Your attitude and demeanor will tell him a lot.
Remember, it will get sorted out in court, or more likely, right there on scene if it doesn't get to rollin' around on the ground butt kickin' time.
IF, in the unlikely event an unwarranted beating occurs...go down, cover your head and your nuts, and wait it out. I know that sounds like a bitter pill to swallow...but if you don't resist, and COMPLY you may get lumps, but you WON'T get DEAD.
If you truly do get an unwarranted beating...you can be assured you will be compensated.
I know that sucks too...but it IS reality. I don't advocate officers handing out whimsical butt whuppins...doon't get me wrong. All I am saying is, if you escalate it, you will lose. Even if you are "victorious"...a jury might not find that you acted in a reasonable manner, which is the yardstick an action such as that would be measured. It is a tough call, and one I don't want to make.
Just remember...COMPLY. If the officer says "Stop." STOP. Follow instructions, and do it calmly.
mmike87
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Sean85746 said:
That all sounds like good advice. Thanks.
So what I am gathering from all these responses is that even if morally justified (like in the admittedly unlike event of an unwarranted whoppin') it would be a potential hard sell to a jury.
So the moral of the story is that when those with power (any sort) abuse it, you're pretty much screwed in the short term. Wait it out and have your day in court.
Good advice on covering up the nuts ...
rock jock
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You have a better chance of winning a Powerball lottery than NOT resisting a false arrest AND still being beaten.
JMusic
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I haven't read all the posts but let me give some back ground. I am an ex Tactical squad leader and have trained in all sorts of gun fighting and martial arts. I can not imagine a scenereo where I would not only resist but shoot. If I were being beaten I would cover up and hope someone with some common scense showed up to stop the action. "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD I RESIST" Either verbally or physically. In other posts I have made this statement. You are fighting an unlimitted force no matter how bad it is, it WILL only get worse. I've seen several of these posts to this nature mostly on search warrants. OK now I have been out of law enforcement for almost 20 years. I have been stopped several times. NEVER was I treated in a matter where I felt threatened. Comply, that is the LAW. IF you don't you will learn a very hard leason.
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JMusic
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Trueblue 1776 I too have seen bad seeds. But as far as your total rational I say BULL@#%#. You should be respecting these people. I liken it to the Military vollenteers who risk their life every day. The pay sucks and the thanks is worse, but nothing is more rewarding than the feeling that you are doing good. I suggest it is time for you to leave if you truely feel that way OR do something about it.
Jim
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trueblue1776
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JMusic said:
You are free look at it any way you want. I will continue to do my job.
Disagree with me if you like, but I'm not insulting any cop or any soldier.
I refuse to put a man on a pedestal because of his career choice, we all put our pants on one leg at a time man. If I decide to pump septic tanks for a living it doesn't mean I am any less honorable than any other man.
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