A Serious Reminder--Think before Posting (etc.)

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I thought that there are ways to stop or mitigate your cellphone from listening.

There are.

First off: as detailed in articles like the ones I linked above, your phone is not actually listening to you. They explain what's going on much better than I can.

As far as mitigating the surveillance capitalism built into and facilitated by your smartphone, how much you can do depends on how deep you want to go. Like most things, you can get 80% of your results with 20% of your effort. Some of this may involve paying for services you have been spoiled to getting for "free."
(Remember, nothing in this world is free. The bills gotta be paid somehow.)

1) Dive into your settings and tweak them. Do so for Android, your Google account, apps, everything you can. There are numerous tutorials on how to do this.

If you were looking for an excuse to get a new phone, this is it. As of Android 10, there are a whole host of greatly expanded security and privacy settings.

To take this further, unless you have the time, patience and skill to install a de-googled custom ROM, the best way to go is to buy an unlocked phone and activate it on your carrier. They tend to have a lot less bloatware. Google Pixel and Nokia phones are the best in this regard. They are also the best about pushing out Android updates and security patches.

2) Use a more privacy focused browser like Firefox, Brave, etc. They, along with appropriate ad and cookie blockers, DRAMATICALLY, reduce the amount of advertising and tracking on your phone. Not to mention, your browsing experience is greatly improved by not seeing ads interrupting everything.

3) Use a reputable VPN. Expect to pay for it. With one, possibly two exceptions, free VPNs are worthless at best, possibly even dangerous, and even then are extremely limited.

4) Use a secure, end-to-end encrypted email service. Google, Microsoft, etc can and do scan the contents of your emails.

5) Use a secure, end-to-end encrypted messaging service.

6) Encrypt your devices, your storage and anything you store in the cloud. Again, Google & Microsoft can and do scan the contents of anything you put in their cloud services.



With strong encryption, even if the .gov gets ahold of your communications, without the keys they only get garbled nonsense.

If you care about and want to protect your 2A rights (or any of your other Constitutional rights for that matter), you should also care about your privacy.
 
Once my wife and I were eating breakfast and talking about how the farm life is good for people with immunological issues...generally because they are come into contact with things that slowly build their immune systems through light exposure. After breakfast I got ready to take a shower, but first checked my email on my phone. During breakfast I had received an email from farmersdating.com....or something like that. Apparently my phone heard it all! We are not a farm family and it was the first conversation we had on that topic in quite awhile.

One of Google's most prominent engineers, Ray Kurzweil, got his his start in electronic devices that could produce music automatically from algorithms built from famous composers. He also invented the Kurzweil reading machine, of which Stevie Wonder was his first customer. It was the first electronic device that could scan a book.and read it to you. That was almost 40 years ago. Today, he uses his algorithms to help Google figure you out and predict your behavior, whether it be physical or economic. And it works. Too well in my opinion. I frequently throw my phone in a drawer these days when I want to have a "sensitive" conversation. These things have become a real potential threat and the OP is right...we'd better watch what we say and write.

What really took the cake was, I woke up at dawn one day and immediately for some reason began to think about Hawaiian music. There was no obvious reason. So for ****s and giggles I began to look up Hawaiian music on Pandora and Ebay. A short time later I went to Google and lo and behold, the custom Google logo of the day was a Hawaiian theme...with palm trees and a cute dancer chick and a Kon Tiki like boat, I think. So I was left there thinking, "Did I read Googles mind or did it read mine??" It was really a bit disturbing.
 
I'm not a devout member of any denomination, but I try to make a point of not violating any of the 10 Commandments (Old Testament ones, as well as the NRA's).
I know the government can access anything I've written or searched online, with or without reason. Hell, I'm sure the Chinese, Iranians and just about any outfit that wanted to could. I'm pretty boring though, and not controversial, so have at it.
If some secret tech spy is paying their bills by sorting through my searches for reloading components, car parts, recipes for homemade cinnamon rolls, and replacement lenses for Oakley's, well...I wouldn't want their job.

So the easy answer is to be cognizant of your online presence. To simplify it further, if a person is the type to post inflammatory, hateful, or demeaning things online they're probably dumb enough to get caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing anyway.
 
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If some secret tech spy is paying their bills by sorting through my searches for reloading components, car parts, recipes for homemade cinnamon rolls, and replacement lenses for Oakley's, well...I wouldn't want their job.

There is no person manually sorting through anything. It is all done by computers with AI and machine learning.
 
If some secret tech spy is paying their bills by sorting through my searches...
That's not the way it works.

To simplify it further, if a person is the type to post inflammatory, hateful, or demeaning things online they're probably dumb enough to get caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing anyway
That may sound reasonable, bu it is neither to the point nor realistic.
 
To simplify it further, if a person is the type to post inflammatory, hateful, or demeaning things online they're probably dumb enough to get caught doing something they shouldn't have been doing anyway.


Masaad Ayoob wrote an article once in which he said that anything that you put online is discoverable and admissible as evidence in court.

So you ( not that YOU do) really don't want to be posting things online like "Anyone who breaks into my house is going to get shot" or or posting in support of Kyle Rittenhouse. Or (and I've seen this one a few times on this forum) "If you have to shoot someone make sure only one person is left to tell the cops what happened." If you (God Forbid) are ever involved in a self-defense shooting and there's any part of that that's questionable they're going to look into your online presence and if they find a bunch of posts like that they're going to hang you.
 
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"Big Brother"...If George Orwell only knew.

I remember talking with a coworker about somebody a while back. After a few minutes, I pulled out my phone to look the guy up online.

I typed in the FIRST LETTER of the guy's first name...and the rest auto-filled.

I had never searched anything on this guy or whatever subject the guy was related to.

Tons of other stuff starting with that first letter I'd looked up. Products I've looked for, cities I've looked up, etc.

Nope. Top of the list was this guy, already auto-filled on the first letter.

Yeah...we're being monitored, whether by government or business/tech (which some say is the same thing).
 
I have mentioned these risk areas:

Criminal issues, torts, divorces, winning and losing of competitive bids ,contract disputes, hiring decisions, promotions, discrimination suits, admission to schools, and just about anything else must be kept in mind.

The problem is knowing the possible effects in advance.

An email or social media post saying something like "we don't expect that kind of trouble out here--just about everyone out here has a gun" could be completely truthful and perfectly innocent. But it could prove disastrous, if brought to light after an unfortunate incident.

"Getting fired" should have been among them.

There is also the risk of fomenting civil unrest, as indicated in Trunk Monkey's post/.

Oh, and one other thing.

Information that indicates what one owns could be quite a valuable commodity. Buyers would be those looking to take it.

We have seen that from Facebook and texting, and from those websites that are used fo buying and selling stuff .

There are gold mines of such information right here on THR.

Of course, the locations of the mines would be a little difficult to obtain.

But--many members also post pics of their trucks, motorcycles, bird feeders, snow-covered driveways, etc.

A little detective work.....
 
There is no person manually sorting through anything. It is all done by computers with AI and machine learning.
I know. My post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
That may sound reasonable, bu it is neither to the point nor realistic.
anything that you put online is discoverable and admissible as evidence in court.
Which is what I took the OP to mean. Online posts can also be career enders, as can comments recorded on video unbeknownst to the commentor. Internet search history has also been known to be incriminating.
So, I was just trying to point out that folks who don't demonstrate good judgement in their online activity probably don't use the best judgement in other areas of their life.
 
So, I was just trying to point out that folks who don't demonstrate good judgement in their online activity probably don't use the best judgement in other areas of their life.
I do not believe that one can conclude that.

Completely innocent people can become persons of interest when crimes have been committed.

Previous, perfectly innocent comments relating to something else entirely and made in different contexts can seem to go to state of mind.
 
I do not believe that one can conclude that
Based entirely on some of my own family members, those who post idiotic comments online, say and do idiotic things in "real life". Not the point of this thread perhaps, but it's one of the things that comes to mind for me. I read posts in THR almost daily that make me cringe. I'm not judging the people who write those posts, but I certainly wouldn't want those comments attached to me in any way.

Understandably, even comments that would otherwise be entirely innocent in the context they were intended can be misconstrued or interpreted to mean something else.
 
I know. My post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.


Which is what I took the OP to mean. Online posts can also be career enders, as can comments recorded on video unbeknownst to the commentor. Internet search history has also been known to be incriminating.
So, I was just trying to point out that folks who don't demonstrate good judgement in their online activity probably don't use the best judgement in other areas of their life.

I can't argue that
 
I do not believe that one can conclude that.

Completely innocent people can become persons of interest when crimes have been committed.

Previous, perfectly innocent comments relating to something else entirely and made in different contexts can seem to go to state of mind.

I agree but the one doesn't cancel out the other.


To make a long story as brief as I possibly can, in 1992 when I was stationed at Fort Carson we had a briefing on the new don't ask don't tell policy. One of our soldiers said that it was stupid policy and she thought Clinton should be shot. I told her that was an inappropriate comment and she needed to shut up. She looked at me and said "I don't care I'm entitled to my opinion I think Clinton should be shot."

I went on about my business and hour later my section chief walked into my office in the TMC, dropped a legal pad and a pen on the table and said "You will write a statement."
The Secret Service investigated her and it essentially ended her military career.

Here's where the story gets stupid.

A week later I was signing out on leave and the staff duty runner had heard the rumors and asked me if I knew what happened. So I told him.

As soon as I told him he looked at me right in front of the Staff Duty NCO and said "I think she's right I think Clinton should be shot." I had already signed out on leave I didn't say a word. I turned around and left the building, got in my car and drove to Nebraska.

People are stupid
 
[/QUOTE] I typed in the FIRST LETTER of the guy's first name...and the rest auto-filled.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It listens frequently and does it well. There may even be things Google can do beyond that using EM emissions from your phone, and/or setting off a cascade of "issues" in your life. Its had the capability to work in this capacity for years already, and its improving almost exponentially. Definitely worry.
 
I typed in the FIRST LETTER of the guy's first name...and the rest auto-filled.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It listens frequently and does it well. There may even be things Google can do beyond that using EM emissions from your phone, and/or setting off a cascade of "issues" in your life. Its had the capability to work in this capacity for years already, and its improving almost exponentially. Definitely worry.[/QUOTE]

Modern smart phone are insane security risks.

When I deployed as a civilian engineer aboard the USS Florida a few years ago, I gathered the other two engineers who came with me and told them to get their electronic devices together. (I'm a retired submariner and quite familiar with security issues). I got with the ship's Navigator and discussed the security concerns, as the three of us had cell phones, tablets, and laptops.

Many people here probably know a smart phone can be used to track your travel history through a variety of means. But did you know that one of those means is essentially as an inertial navigation system? Think about it...your phone is sensitive enough to use as a game controller, where twisting, turning, and otherwise moving the phone is translated into video game responses. This means it's entirely possible for a smartphone which has simply been left powered on to track the complete deployment of a submarine. Course, depth, speed, and location, all date-timed.

SPAWAR, decades ago, put out that vehicles equipped with ONSTAR and similar systems were security risks because those systems could be used to remotely tap into conversations taking place in the vehicles WITHOUT the occupants knowing it was happening...therefore no classified or sensitive information of any kind was to be discussed within them.

As an engineer, I can think of any number of ways a phone could be used to spy on people which go beyond simple audio spying or internet history most people think of.

Your smartphone is an exceptionally sensitive piece of electronic instrumentation. It may be possible that the proximity of your smart phone to other electronic devices could couple data between the two. This is a well known security issue with computers tied to networks with CAT-5/CAT-6 cables instead of optical fiber and is the reason why network cables and landline phone cables have minimum clearance requirements to prevent outsiders from possibly using other systems to tap into the data you are accessing on your computer. The proximity of your smart phone to your laptop/desktop may itself be a security risk due to the ability to detect the electrical signals your computer is generating while in use.

Your phone is positively identified automatically as it connects to the cellular network. It's simply how it works. Which means as you travel there is a record of where your phone is at any given time. Signal strength along through the various network antenna connections will give an accurate location, all nicely date-time stamped in the system. If you are investigated for some criminal event, it may very well be possible for investigators to correlate your story with where they knew your phone to be at various times.

And more than this...with pattern recognition algorithms, as well as human analysis of the data, it's possible that either a lack of data, or simply a discrepancy in the data, may also be damning information.

Let's say you're smart enough NOT to bring your phone with you, or to turn your phone off, when you decide to across the state, or several states, to burn your ex's house down. You're a suspect because you're the ex of the victim. Investigators do their thing, interview you and all the potential witnesses and the victim, etc. Hey! Your phone was off for the amount of time it would take to travel to and from the scene of the crime, plus a bit more! Hey! Your phone was on, but it was completely stationary for 2 1/2 days, totally inconsistent with your previous patterns! Hey! Your phone was still in your normal area the entire time, but there was no phone/internet use consistent with your normal patterns!

The data collection is complete enough that the LACK of data IS data.

And as smart as some people are, there are people at least as equally smart working for the government, probably smarter, and with access to a LOT more equipment and processes than nearly anybody else, especially those not affiliated with other governments. Heck, our own government built the Utah Data Center (and if you haven't heard of it, google it). The so-called "Dark Web"? All that amounts to are various networks tied into the internet which require specific equipment, software, and permissions to access. And if there's one thing our government IS good at, it's EXACTLY this kind of stuff. So the "Dark Web" is only as secure as the government's lack of interest in avidly pursuing something into it.

IS THERE A REASON TO BE PARANOID?

I guess that depends on your perspective.

It's most certainly a d*mn good reason to keep an eye on the government and push for all the privacy laws we can. Because if there's one thing both government and industry have proven over time, it's that if they don't have any legal restrictions on the matter, they'll run rough-shod over people and we'll not have any legal recourse against them. They'll STILL do it, mind you...but if they get caught, at least John Q. Public has some avenue to pursue for damages afterwards.
 
I typed in the FIRST LETTER of the guy's first name...and the rest auto-filled.

Exactly. It listens frequently and does it well. There may even be things Google can do beyond that using EM emissions from your phone, and/or setting off a cascade of "issues" in your life. Its had the capability to work in this capacity for years already, and its improving almost exponentially. Definitely worry.[/QUOTE]

Modern smart phone are insane security risks.

When I deployed as a civilian engineer aboard the USS Florida a few years ago, I gathered the other two engineers who came with me and told them to get their electronic devices together. (I'm a retired submariner and quite familiar with security issues). I got with the ship's Navigator and discussed the security concerns, as the three of us had cell phones, tablets, and laptops.

Many people here probably know a smart phone can be used to track your travel history through a variety of means. But did you know that one of those means is essentially as an inertial navigation system? Think about it...your phone is sensitive enough to use as a game controller, where twisting, turning, and otherwise moving the phone is translated into video game responses. This means it's entirely possible for a smartphone which has simply been left powered on to track the complete deployment of a submarine. Course, depth, speed, and location, all date-timed.

SPAWAR, decades ago, put out that vehicles equipped with ONSTAR and similar systems were security risks because those systems could be used to remotely tap into conversations taking place in the vehicles WITHOUT the occupants knowing it was happening...therefore no classified or sensitive information of any kind was to be discussed within them.

As an engineer, I can think of any number of ways a phone could be used to spy on people which go beyond simple audio spying or internet history most people think of.

Your smartphone is an exceptionally sensitive piece of electronic instrumentation. It may be possible that the proximity of your smart phone to other electronic devices could couple data between the two. This is a well known security issue with computers tied to networks with CAT-5/CAT-6 cables instead of optical fiber and is the reason why network cables and landline phone cables have minimum clearance requirements to prevent outsiders from possibly using other systems to tap into the data you are accessing on your computer. The proximity of your smart phone to your laptop/desktop may itself be a security risk due to the ability to detect the electrical signals your computer is generating while in use.

Your phone is positively identified automatically as it connects to the cellular network. It's simply how it works. Which means as you travel there is a record of where your phone is at any given time. Signal strength along through the various network antenna connections will give an accurate location, all nicely date-time stamped in the system. If you are investigated for some criminal event, it may very well be possible for investigators to correlate your story with where they knew your phone to be at various times.

And more than this...with pattern recognition algorithms, as well as human analysis of the data, it's possible that either a lack of data, or simply a discrepancy in the data, may also be damning information.

Let's say you're smart enough NOT to bring your phone with you, or to turn your phone off, when you decide to across the state, or several states, to burn your ex's house down. You're a suspect because you're the ex of the victim. Investigators do their thing, interview you and all the potential witnesses and the victim, etc. Hey! Your phone was off for the amount of time it would take to travel to and from the scene of the crime, plus a bit more! Hey! Your phone was on, but it was completely stationary for 2 1/2 days, totally inconsistent with your previous patterns! Hey! Your phone was still in your normal area the entire time, but there was no phone/internet use consistent with your normal patterns!

The data collection is complete enough that the LACK of data IS data.

And as smart as some people are, there are people at least as equally smart working for the government, probably smarter, and with access to a LOT more equipment and processes than nearly anybody else, especially those not affiliated with other governments. Heck, our own government built the Utah Data Center (and if you haven't heard of it, google it). The so-called "Dark Web"? All that amounts to are various networks tied into the internet which require specific equipment, software, and permissions to access. And if there's one thing our government IS good at, it's EXACTLY this kind of stuff. So the "Dark Web" is only as secure as the government's lack of interest in avidly pursuing something into it.

IS THERE A REASON TO BE PARANOID?

I guess that depends on your perspective.

It's most certainly a d*mn good reason to keep an eye on the government and push for all the privacy laws we can. Because if there's one thing both government and industry have proven over time, it's that if they don't have any legal restrictions on the matter, they'll run rough-shod over people and we'll not have any legal recourse against them. They'll STILL do it, mind you...but if they get caught, at least John Q. Public has some avenue to pursue for damages afterwards.[/QUOTE]

GREAT post! Thank you!

It occurs to me that with modern hacking, someone could even make it look like your phone was somewhere it wasn't, thus framing you.

Also, regarding what I wrote about EM emissions: For decades now technology has existed that can literally beam sounds into the human brain bypassing the ears! This is usually achieved using high intensity waves from a "piezo" emitter, of which a cell phone almost qualifies with both radio waves and their highly efficient little speakers. Its occurred to me that someone could use smart phones to facilitate all kinds of situations, up to attempting to drive someone insane or push them to commit acts of violence.

The shooter in Pittsburgh who shot up the synagogue one October a few years back...told his doctor he had been hearing "electronic sounding voices and noises in his head" in the months before he snapped. I think there have been similar cases. I won't necessarily argue that it WAS his cell phone...but the technology does exist...it has been weaponized by several governments for some time...and modern Smart Phones seem almost capable of such things now. If someone was messing with those shooters electronically, it could just as easily have been a satellite or a psychoacoustic setup in a van outside...probably more likely. But I think phones may also be able to function in that capacity to a point if someone wants them to.
 
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The other day I kept getting this urge to buy that new Glock 45 I just saw at Academy, while at the same time I developed a craving for pizza.

Then I realized the kid was heating a "hot pocket" in the microwave. Is it possible the microwave caused both of my thoughts!?!?!?:confused::D
 
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