A very serious "no guns allowed" bank sign

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This is pointless. I have offended a few of you and I am sorry.

Let me make this clear. I love guns. I have a safe Full of them like most of you. I am not a radical 2nd amendment supporter. If they want me to register my guns, fine i'll obey the law and do it if I get to keep my guns. If I have to wait 3 days instead of take that glock 23 home today die, why does anyone need a gun ?

The belief that the government is out to unarm us all and the country is going to turn into a socialist country is as far fetched to me as the " desperate. Citizen" scenario is to you.

Since I'm pissing you guys off I'm done and I won't be posting here anymore so as not to cause a stir. Only topics like " best shotshell powder, red dot or 700x" from now on
 
wolfe said:
This is pointless. I have offended a few of you and I am sorry.

Let me make this clear. I love guns. I have a safe Full of them like most of you. I am not a radical 2nd amendment supporter. If they want me to register my guns, fine i'll obey the law and do it if I get to keep my guns. If I have to wait 3 days instead of take that glock 23 home today die, why does anyone need a gun ?

The belief that the government is out to unarm us all and the country is going to turn into a socialist country is as far fetched to me as the " desperate. Citizen" scenario is to you.

Since I'm pissing you guys off I'm done and I won't be posting here anymore so as not to cause a stir. Only topics like " best shotshell powder, red dot or 700x" from now on
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So answering our questions or providing evidence to support your position is not a possibility?
 
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What state did this happen in? I imagine that if it was a state where the signs mean nothing, the bank is going to get sued real quick.

Shaky ground even for states that signs do carry the weight of law.
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Wait a second. What now?
You mean in "some" states, even if a "no guns" sign is posted, it isn't legal?
I'm confused. Never heard that one before.

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Never mind. My state says the signs "do" carry the force of the lsw "if" they are approved signs by the state.
 
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R.W.Dale said:
I forsee these as a passing fad once local law enforcement starts charging for responding to the false alarms
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This is the first time I've ever heard of these systems being used in this manner. But, I have an immediate family member who does real estate project management for a competing (major) bank. We've talked about the "man traps" in the past, and the units that my relative installs are about $100,000 each. As such, they're only used in branches that are in high-risk areas, where lots of robberies have occurred.

Also, they only use them as a means of catching the robber. Basically, only one of the two doors can be opened at a time. So, if someone robs the bank, the teller pushes a button. The perp runs through the first of the double doors, and then gets locked between the two doors while waiting for the arrival of the police. The unit is constructed of BR glass, so the perp won't have much luck threatening anyone as a means of escape.

I really don't like the concept of trapping a customer who hasn't broken any law. Doing so does sound like it would be illegal in many areas.

SabbathWolf said:
Wait a second. What now?
You mean in "some" states, even if a "no guns" sign is posted, it isn't legal?
I'm confused. Never heard that one before.
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Pretty much. Here in Colorado there is no provision in the concealed carry law for "posting" an establishment as a gun free zone. As such, even if a sign is up prohibiting guns, you won't get in trouble for carrying a gun into the building (exceptions include the normally prohibited places like schools, federal buildings, etc. And, an exception also exists for places that have permanently installed weapons screening setups). But, short of those exceptions, if you carry a gun into a building that is posted "no guns" here in Colorado, all they can really do is ask you to leave (then, if you don't leave, you'd be trespassing).
 
Warp said:
Do you know of false alarms due to shoes happening at a location like this?

Any links or references?

I ask because I have real life experience with a metal detector meant to detect firearms and the like and I don't recall it going off for steel toe shoes, or even full size pocket knives, but it sure did go off for guns. You might be surprised how finely tuned a metal detector can be.
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Metal detectors where I work will be set off by the metal parts in a standard Bic ballpoint pen. The kind with the plastic tubing. Only metal in it is the ballpoint itself. Not even a spring. I also know firsthand that they'll be set off by boots with metal in them, whether they're steel-toe, or if its just the steel bar in many heavy boot soles.

I'd be surprised if steel-toe boots wouldn't set off a detector at the bank in this thread. Wouldn't be much of a security system if it didn't detect around the leg area.
 
Why are people so scared of the sight of a gun? If I pull out a book of matches, do they automatically think I am going to light people on fire? If I have a extension cord, do they think I am going to strangle them? If I go get in my car, do they fear I will run them over? No? Then why on God's green earth would I just out of the blue decide to start shooting people just because I have a gun? I'm not going to see a pile of money and suddenly "snap" and pull a gun to rob the place. If I wanted a pile of money badly enough, I'll figure out how to earn it. I'm not going to take someone else's.

I'm of the opinion that lawyers and lawsuits are a part of the ruination of this country, but I would consider suing the bank if they violated my rights in this manner.
 
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is this something local LE would know about? half of those guys dont know what open carry is. how do i find out if this applies to my state?
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Buggley, Really, half of all Cops don't know what open carry is?. I guess you being so educated on LEO's you can prove that, However, You have to ask how to find out if this applys to your state ? :rolleyes:
 
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You might be surprised how finely tuned a metal detector can be.
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I would be very surprised that a magnetometer sensitive enough to go off because of one magazine would not go off with other similar sized, similar metal objects.

There are only a few ways to search you "for guns". The presumption that this is a magnetometer is a good one. Compare the amount of ferromagnetic metal in a single magazine--maybe a Glock magazine? ;)--with the amount of same in (say) a wiz-bang "unobtainium" revolver--or in a good sized knife. Or in a Beretta Jefire, for that matter. And let's not mention this:

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Maybe Heizer should change the name of their Double-Tap to "The Bank Guard." If such bank devices become standard here (they are in Europe), my guess is Heizer is going to have to open another plant!

Add to that: most banks these days seem to be robbed using...a piece of paper, sunglasses, and a baseball cap. The piece of paper says, "Give me the money or I'll...." Often the threat of a bomb. The baseball cap and sunglasses to hide identity. The tellers are told to comply (often with exploading dye-packs in the money). When are the piece-of-paper detecting (or bomb-detecting) machines coming?

At least the bank is honest: this is NOT a robbery-prevention system. It is a disarm-our-legally-carrying-customers system. Patrons who enjoy being disarmed, and being in the company of others who are disarmed, should use this bank. Everyone else should close their account, and let both the branch manager and distant corporate know why.

Alternatively, yes: start setting off the device with every non-weapon you can. I'd say five such call per day for two weeks should have them ripping out their hair, and the "weapon control system." But be aware that such intentional disruption of business, even if done as civil disobedience for your fundamental RKBA, would carry penalties.
 
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Yep.
I'd close my account and never look back.
Screw 'em.
There are plenty of other banks out there equally willing to "take" my money.
lol....
 
Someone mentioned claustrophobia i think as a joke.

I am claustrophobic, IF they locked me in like that, i would of seriously freaked out and bashed down a door/window or broken bones trying.

Second i would LOVE to of been the one this happened to, i would sue the piss out of them. I hate the sue happy mentality of this country today but some not only deserve it but its the only way to teach them what they can not do to legal citizens that aren't going to bend over for them.

Third and probably the best plan of attack, Fire Marshall.... I personally don't see how they could get away with such a thing. IF both doors are in fact locked [Exit and Entrance] then i would take that to the highest official in charge of that matter.

I just think the only way to really win is to use more powerful laws against them like Fire Safety.

oh how i wish this happened to me :)
 
MyGreenGuns said:
:) I knew someone would ask that. Cant carry into bars or where they make the majority of their profit from alchohol. In the casinos here, the entire gambling floor counts as "bar area" so its off limits to carry.
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I don't know WA CCW law but I wonder about your statement. If the law is you can't carry in places that serve alcohol, period, then casinos are indeed illegal as they do serve. If the law is you can't carry in a place that makes the majority of its profits from alcohol I would say you can carry, as there no way any casino makes the *majority* of its profits from the bar. ;)

Of course there may be other reasons why carry may be illegal in a casino in your state and at the very least I would expect any casino to ask you to leave if they discovered you were carrying.
 
If the law is you can't carry in places that serve alcohol, period, then casinos are indeed illegal as they do serve. If the law is you can't carry in a place that makes the majority of its profits from alcohol I would say you can carry...
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The bars are off limits. You can go into a resteraunt and order a drink, no problem. Cant wander to the other side of the wall that is "bar", thats illegal.
... as there no way any casino makes the *majority* of its profits from the bar.
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Any profits they earn from me come from the booze! :evil:
That may be part of why I think the casinos are off limits. When I go there, I usually end up drunk, so I leave my gun behind.:cool:
Of course there may be other reasons why carry may be illegal in a casino in your state and at the very least I would expect any casino to ask you to leave if they discovered you were carrying.
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The casinos I frequent are on Tribal land, I tend to err on the side of caution. I definately agree with the last part of your post.

Any fellow Washingtonians (Navy?) have better info about the casinos?
 
Kingofthehill said:
There is TINY TINY amounts of metals in the ink but i highly doubt a metal detector would sense it unless it was a large sum of money.
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Y'know, not all money is paper. If my bank had one of these, I think I might start needing to take them large amounts of change for deposit on a regular basis. Rolls of quarters. Bagfuls of mixed coins.

I also think I'd start carrying in cash deposits in a small metal lockbox. And carrying in an empty metal lockbox to use for cash withdrawals.

And I'm pretty sure a good business accessory for my banking business would be a snazzy metal attache case.

A metal clipboard, one of those box-style ones, would also be useful to me.

I wonder how many instances of detaining me it would take before my lawyer and I would become bank owners?
 
(Not real great at searching the RCW, but here is what I found)

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300

RCW 9.41.300 - 1d

(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age
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I'm not sure what the min age to enter the casino is.
18? CC ok
21? CC not ok

EDIT: Dont want to hijack this thread with this tangent. Sorry all. No more about that.
 
According to the original thread, he was not supposed to have been detained, but apparently the teller didn't know that. If my bank were to install something like this, then I would expect them to provide armed security for myself and my money and provide a way to keep my firearm secure the entire time I was seperated from it. Unlike wolfie, I believe guns and money mix just fine. Especially when it happens to be my gun protecting my life from someone who wishes to end it while acquiring my money,
 
That may be part of why I think the casinos are off limits. When I go there, I usually end up drunk, so I leave my gun behind.
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Certainly the responsible thing to do, whether you are at a casino, a bar, or your friend's kitchen table.

The casinos I frequent are on Tribal land, I tend to err on the side of caution.
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Yikes! Well, all bets are off, then. Tribal land is often quite litterally a law unto itself and non-tribe memebers crossing the line can find themselves in big trouble, really fast. Your idea of caution is probably the best course, there.
 
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