? about Champion safe, model Triumph

[tourer]

I'm in the process of buying a gun safe.
The dealer I went to made me a very good deal on a 2005 leftover, Champion brand, Triumph model safe 72 1/2X 41 X 28. I haven't taken delivery yet.
The salesman said the body of the safe was 3/16 inch thick.
The new Champion Triumph safe is only 10 gauge.
Is there any one here who has a Triumph model?
I'm trying to find someone who knows or written specifications for the safe from 2005.
I don't think the salesman would lie to me, I just want to be sure the body is 3/16 inch thick and not the thinner 10 gauge they now sell.

 

[a1abdj]

I have information from '06 that says it's 10 gauge. I don't have anything on them going back to '05.

10 gauge is 1/8". It should be simple enough to look at one of the edges of the door frame and measure it.

 

[dakotascott]

The easiest place to look at the steel thickness is through the dehumidifier hole in the back, bottom corner. I think you are wise to check, 05 was when they changed and some 05's were 10g. I am assuming from where you live that you are looking at that safe at Eastern Security. The owner there is Roger Lavalle and he is a great guy. If he said it was 3/16" I am sure he is right but mistakes happen. I personally own a Triumph t25 and it is a good safe. In fact the old 3/16" safes were on of my favorites in the industry.

 

[45Badger]

I have one bought in 2003. No idea what thickness, but seems to work well so far (nobody has broken in yet and tried to pry it open or cut with a torch or other tools).

Keep in mind that for the purists among us (I am not one of them), this is NOT a safe, but rather a residential security container. Any experienced thief with good tools and a little time will get in. Any bad thief with a bad tools and a lot of time will also get in. The true level of security lies somewhere in your definition of good thieves, bad thieves, good tools, bad tools, a little time, and a lot of time.

I figure it will protect my guns in a fire, and will prevent an easy "smash and grab" theft by local druggies looking for easy items to steal and pawn. The difference in wall thickness probably doesn't mean a hill of beans in any case.

 

[tourer]

Yes, It is Eastern Security safes. Roger wasn't in on Saturday so I talked to Rich. He seemed to know his stuff but, I just received a reply from Champion safes and they say it is 10 gauge.
Rich told me it was 3/16 thick body and that 2005 was the last year for that.

 

[dakotascott]

I tried to look through my catalogues, They dont have years on them. I would check the hole. It is real easy to tell. I have here at my store a fourth quarter 04' t50 that was in an attempted burglary. This safe has the 3/16" body with the heavy door. If the safe they have there is an early 05' it will have the heavy body. Roger will know. There is a big differance between 3/16" and 1/8". In my testing years ago I put 4'x4' pieces of 12g, 10g and 3/16" on pallets and tried to beat through them with a splitting maul.
12g took about 6 wacks to get a hole big enough to reach my arm through, 10g took about 15 and I could not beat through 3/16".

 

[tourer]

dakotascott, thanks for your help, I appreciate it greatly.
Roger is out of the store until 2/24/08.
I e-mailed Rich at Eastern, I'm just waiting for him to get back to me.
I'm glad I found this site.
There is a true wealth of information here.

 

[tourer]

I had a conference call with Rich ( Eastern Security safes ) and Mike (Champion safes) about the 2005 Triumph series safe.
It does indeed have a 3/16 inch thick body, so I purchased it.
I can't say enough about Rich & Roger, they explained everything in a clear, easy to understand way for the 1st time safe buyer.
Rich showed me some safes that have been broken into and what it takes to crack them.
I know I'm not buying a TRUE safe, but a RCS safe, but I think it will be a damn sight better than using no safe at all.