About private sell a gun in Virginia

[oneounceload]

No argument on the name Sam- I am talking about all of the other ridiculous stuff because, it seems, that folks believe everyone is about to either: rob/kill them, sell them stolen guns, or is a criminal looking to buy their guns - reality shows it isn't so

 

[medalguy]

Just curious-- has ANYONE on this forum ever had the police come to you asking about a firearm you sold previously and they later recovered after being used in a crime and it was traced back to you at some point by some method? Ever?

I would love to know just how many firearms have been bought and sold by members of this board through the years so we could put a percentage on the guns later used in crimes. I'll wager it's an infintesimally small number. Probably nonexistant if you consider a gun legally sold was later used in a crime.

To the OP: I would NEVER allow you or anyone else (other than a LEO) to copy ANY information off my DL, CHL, or any other document with my personal information on it. And I would never ask you or any other gun buyer/seller for that information. Frankly, it's none of my business. I rarely sell guns, but when I do, I ask the potential buyer if he's a resident of my state, and if he is prohibited from buying the gun. I don't and can't run a background check. Oh, I forgot, that's the "gun show loophole." Sorry.

If you want to have all this protection you apparently seek, I would suggest that whenever you buy or sell a gun, do it through a FFL and you will have the safety (?) and assurance (?) of knowing there is a 4473 out there somewhere with all the information you want written down, sitting in a FFL's file cabinet, which is absolutely no use to anyone since it's more than likely that a gun used in a crime has been stolen from its legal owner, not purchased from a FFL.

 

[efeng9622]

The reason I want to get his Drive license# because I think only this ID number can make me no need to worry about . I think the name and phone # is not good enough because it can be changed. I knew maybe I don't need to ask but I want to make myself more safer. At least I have a paper which can clearly identify I already sold this gun to a person since that day………..

 

[wojownik]

I'm not sure I get the dilemma here. Just ask him to show that he has a VA DL and/or VA CHP just to see that he's a resident, have a bill of sale form that he can print and sign his name, and you've documented the transaction, haven't you? Otherwise, just use the services of a local FFL.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The reason I want to get his Drive license# because I think only this ID number can make me no need to worry about . I think the name and phone # is not good enough because it can be changed. I knew maybe I don't need to ask but I want to make myself more safer. At least I have a paper which can clearly identify I already sold this gun to a person since that day………..

You can certainly ask for whatever you want from the buyer - ID numbers, fingerprints, birth certificate, DNA sample... just be up front about it in the sale listing so the seller doesn't have to waste their time and they can pass you up on your deal and requirements right up front.

 

[dogtown tom]

NavyLCDR You can certainly ask for whatever you want from the buyer - ID numbers, fingerprints, birth certificate, DNA sample... just be up front about it in the sale listing so the seller doesn't have to waste their time and they can pass you on your deal right up front.

+1000

 

[efeng9622]

I didn’t ask that much ( B- certificate and DNA) , It was big joke if I did. Only VA DL# is necessary or at least he can show me. I can know he is a VA resident. He wrote down and also asked my name and phone #. I gave to him. We finished this deal pretty happy.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I’m up in the air on this one, if I’m going to spend 500+ dollars on something I think it’s in my best interest to have a bill of sale proving my ownership. Having said that the whole photocopy of the driver’s license and all that is too much I don’t know you and I don’t know who is going to get that information after I leave you.

If it’s that much of a concern why not just do the transaction through an FFL?

Finally, if the police ever show up on my doorstep telling me that my name has come up in connection with a murder the only words they’ll hear from me are “I’d like to speak with an attorney please.”

 

[medalguy]

The only words they NEED to hear from you is "I sold the gun a while back to a legal resident of Virginia as evidenced by showing me a Virginia DL, and I had no reason to believe he was a prohibited person. Good day, officers."

 

[B!ngo]

It's not an, "OMG moment" and I don't think that terrorists are buying my guns. The world isn't falling apart. Most of your statements make no sense but I understand that you're trying to be a (online) rebel that won't bow to either common sense or law enforcement.
If one of my former guns ends up at a crime scene then I'd kind of like that crime solved. I have this weird kind of morality that you might not understand.
If a firearm that once belonged to me is found at a rape, robbery, murder, etc then I have this really odd hope that the criminal is caught and I have no problem sending the police to the last known guy that had that gun.
I'm kind of funny like that.
I have a wife and daughter. I've got friends and family. I don't see any sense, any honor or any gain in trying to hinder an investigation into a gun crime. Do you feel that by stonewalling the ATF (as if you really would) you help make the world a safer place for your family? If one of your old guns is recovered at a murder are you going to brag about how you withheld info from law enforcement?
I hope not. I hope that you have more sense than that.
If the police want to know how one of my Rugers from 5 years ago ended up at a murder then I have no issues with helping them find the last person I know with that gun.
I don't feel the need to protect criminals. If you do then I pity you.

Well put. I completely agree. And no amount of government fear or hatred that some may bear will inhibit me as well from fulfilling such a moral or civic duty.
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[B!ngo]

I’m up in the air on this one, if I’m going to spend 500+ dollars on something I think it’s in my best interest to have a bill of sale proving my ownership. Having said that the whole photocopy of the driver’s license and all that is too much I don’t know you and I don’t know who is going to get that information after I leave you.

If it’s that much of a concern why not just do the transaction through an FFL?

Finally, if the police ever show up on my doorstep telling me that my name has come up in connection with a murder the only words they’ll hear from me are “I’d like to speak with an attorney please.”

Well, they'd hear from me, 'Please come in and sit down. How can I help?'. I foolishly still believe that doing the right thing generally works out well for me and others in the end. Yes, not always, but much more often than not.
Some of the responses here sound like the sentiment is to not hinder the police, ATF, etc., but not to help them either. Why not? How can people shout to the rooftops about their 2nd amendment rights, but not of their obligations of citizenship?
I'm hanging my head at the moment.
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[Sig Bill]

I have wondered about this thing myself and here in Tx no need to register but what's the purpose of the 4473 form? I have to claim that I'm not mentally ill, not a fugitive, not an illegal alien, blah blah blah to buy my guns from the range.

On private gun sales all is needed is a valid DL in said state and to ask questions which you can't prove they're telling you the truth.

Sounds screwy don't it?

 

[oneounceload]

f the police want to know how one of my Rugers from 5 years ago ended up at a murder then I have no issues with helping them find the last person I know with that gun.
I don't feel the need to protect criminals. If you do then I pity you.

OH BS - you still haven't said how many of your guns have wound up in crimes and how many criminals your data has helped capture.....why? Because the answer is ZERO

 

[skt239]

Even without papers, it's all above board. However, I'm not sure how comfortable I am giving out my info.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Well, they'd hear from me, 'Please come in and sit down. How can I help?'. I foolishly still believe that doing the right thing generally works out well for me and others in the end. Yes, not always, but much more often than not.
Some of the responses here sound like the sentiment is to not hinder the police, ATF, etc., but not to help them either. Why not? How can people shout to the rooftops about their 2nd amendment rights, but not of their obligations of citizenship?
I'm hanging my head at the moment

Simple, I don’t know why the police are at my door all I know is that my name came up in connection with a murder investigation. That’s enough for me to know that I am suspected of something.

Bottom line; in that situation my interests are best served by competent legal counsel and counsel or no I’d probably only agree to talk if I was guaranteed immunity from prosecution

 

[Patriotme]

oneounceload:

That is true. None of my guns (to my knowledge) have ever ended up in the hands of criminals. I generally only sell to people that I know and for those that I don't know.....if you want the gun then you better make a decent impression. I don't need a few hundred dollars so badly that I'll sell to someone that looks incompetent, a minor or a criminal.
Yes, you're correct. My precautions have thus far been unneccessary.....just like my homeowner's insurance, car insurance and life insurance.
Hindsight is 20/20. I prefer to take a few basic precautions and the simple action of spending a few seconds recording the name of a guy buying my guns is not that big of an inconvenience. The buyers are notified ahead of time and if it's a big deal for them then there's plenty of other guns for sale across VA.
So I'll say it again....none of my gun sales from 5 or 10 years ago have resulted in a visit from the local LEO. I'm glad about that.
Suppose however I sell a gun next week and the police knock on my door a month later wanting to know where that .357 that was recoverd in a shooting went? I'd like to be able to steer them in the right direction. Whoever said that my leads from 10 years ago are outdated and of little help is probably right. My records of the last year or so my however be of some help. I am willing to put my name on a bill of sale and if a buyer has an issue letting me know his name then he is wasting both his time and mine.