about to commit AK apostacy

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If youre living in the world of "spray and pray", its not the guns fault, and an AR isnt going to do you any better. ;)
 
Well Being in the military,I've used my fair share of M16(AR15) and I want to say that they're accurate when properly sighted, and the .223 has hardly a kick with the buffer spring. However, when it comes down to defending my life, I'd pick an AK, its reliable, its cheap, and it has great takedown power with a 7.62 as opposed to a 5.56. Now, that being said i think you would be better of with an AR10 with its .308 round. This would give you the perks of an AR15, but with greater power behind it. I mean the .223 round, in my opinion, isn't exactly the toughest round, and I've seen it in action and its quite pitiful, its essentially an overpowered .22 just with a bit more weight. But if you're just plinking with it, then what the hell, go for it, its just going to be an expensive plinker, but there's nothing wrong with good 'ol plinking.
 
Hey ccsniper, I also went to the ar15 platform after first buying a romanian AKM.

It's in your best interest to save some money on top of that $800 and get yourself a QUALITY ar15 rifle.

the guys at m4carbine.net can help you out tremendously.

I mean the .223 round, in my opinion, isn't exactly the toughest round, and I've seen it in action and its quite pitiful, its essentially an overpowered .22 just with a bit more weight.
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
I mean the .223 round, in my opinion, isn't exactly the toughest round, and I've seen it in action and its quite pitiful, its essentially an overpowered .22 just with a bit more weight
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By that same argument, a 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 is just an overpowered .32 acp with a bit more weight.
 
I have seen the .223/5.56 wounds it causes and I would not like to get hit with it. Now if I might be in combat where I could encounter light trees and stuff that would be good cover from a .223/5.56 I would take an AK. But since I am not military, it isn't too likely that I will be walking into a combat zone anytime soon. So.... I will stick with the nearly affordable .223 ammo in a 5.56 carbine.
 
For Guns mcrae, Answer being, ARMY, 21B. and for those of you who are not to familiar with the .223, the bullet is quite frangible when it hits the water, and tends to be thrown off by twigs and small branches. aside from that, you could say that the 7.62 is a slightly larger .32 with more power and weight, however, it is strong enough to go through small obstacles. But i would rather carry a .32 acp than a .22
 
You are doing the right think leaving the world of "pray and spray" and entering the world of being able to hit what you shoot at with the first round. I really like my Bushmaster and Colts are very good.
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Won't matter much if it jams or he has to shoot it multiple times. :D

OK I won't bash the AR any more than that but I wouldn't store one along with the AK's before you know it, it might grow up and get good heavy duty steel mags, and wood furniture and a decent caliber.

If you are thinking about a flat top, you might wanna consider what optics are going to run since you are on a budget tho.
 
Welcome to the dark side... ha haha hah ah.

Seriously, though, consider building one (at least the lower). You will save a lot for the same quality or get better quality for the same price. Plus you will avoid the 11% tax for a complete firearm.
 
(Ignoring everything but the OP,)

They are two different rifles designed for two different purposes. You aren't supposed to like them equally because they are different. The AR was designed to fit everyone. The AK will fit everyone whether they like it or not.

I don't necessarily think you have to choose. Can't you have and use both? It's still good to have a gun you can use to low-crawl through the sagebrush and not feel guilty about beating it up. Having said that, I have modded my SKS with a Tapco kit and Tech-Sights, and I don't envy AK owners at all.
 
I don't necessarily think you have to choose. Can't you have and use both? It's still good to have a gun you can use to low-crawl through the sagebrush and not feel guilty about beating it up.
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Oh, I am not bashing the AK at all. But... I want a gun that I can comfortably change the mags out and not do this weird tilting forward pushing up thingy, or would like to simply push a switch to turn off the safety. I just can't stand how the AK was designed in those respects.
 
The AK is a good $400 rifle and a great $250 rifle, but when they hit absurd prices last year I started to look at EBRs as well. I shoot them well enough (for 10years, anyway), but they have been historically too expensive for me. Now that AK's are up & AR's are down, I'd rather have an AR. Don't think of it as apostasy, think of it as broadening your horizons ...
 
The AK is a good $400 rifle and a great $250 rifle,
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Good way of putting it. I'd add they are decent $500 rifles as well now that prices have come down. Still a lot less than even an entry level AR. A decent AK with an Ultimak rail and Aimpoint H1 would be a formidable combat firearm and cost ~$1100 set up like that vs. ~$1500 for an entry level AR and that sight. Add 1500 rds of ammo, spare mags and maybe some gear and you'd be at the same price as just the AR + sight.

That said, I got an AR because I got one immediately post-election. AKs doubled in price to about $800, but I found an AR for pre-election MSRP.
 
Evil Monkey said:
Hey ccsniper, I also went to the ar15 platform after first buying a romanian AKM.

It's in your best interest to save some money on top of that $800 and get yourself a QUALITY ar15 rifle.

the guys at m4carbine.net can help you out tremendously.



You have no idea what you're talking about.
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+1 Spending some time over at M4carbine.net will be invaluable in your decision.

FWIW, my personal recommendation would be to safe up just a wee bit longer and go with BCM. Good 2 go products, and fine people over at bravocompanyusa.com
 
Well I will applaude the fact that someone did say that The AK and The AR are not in the same category. In a sense they are, but as well they're not. The AR was designed for accuracy and is very adjustable, whereas the AK is essentially a hardcore in the brush with extreme reliability and great firepower. Now even though they are both in the same class of rifles, they were designed to meet different needs. The AK had the upperhand in the dense jungles of Vietnam, whereas the M16(AR15) has the upperhand in Iraq. The AK is for close range, and the AR for longer ranges, and a desert gives a nice open area. We all have our opinions, But in the end, If I want to shoot a quarter at 100 Meters, Ill use an AR, whereas if i want lay down some heavy fire at a close range, I'm going with the AK. people have been comparing them since their creation. In the end, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
TrickyDick, FMJ:

A guy who works for the same company (out of Detroit) was in Army Special Forces in Desert Storm.
During a short ride in a Newark hotel shuttle he told me that they picked up AKs in order to have dependable rifles.

There was no time to ask him about the situations that led to that decision, but it made me really curious.
 
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