this is an interesting point. as i've said many times, any High Power shooter can tell you zeros change. but, that in my experience, applies equally to optics and irons. heck, i had to adjust the irons on my 22lr lever gun today which i haven't had to do in years, and they're fixed, soldered to the barrel!
ACOG vs. RDS with magnifier on a Larue flip mount
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this is an interesting point. as i've said many times, any High Power shooter can tell you zeros change. but, that in my experience, applies equally to optics and irons. heck, i had to adjust the irons on my 22lr lever gun today which i haven't had to do in years, and they're fixed, soldered to the barrel!
kwelz
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I currently use an Aimpoint M3 with a Flip to the side Magnifier. This is my PDW but I also use it for Coyotes. The magnifier is useless in a Self Defense Scenario but great against the 4 legged critters. I find it allows me the flexibility I am looking for.
If I had it to do over again I would go with a 1-4 optic like the Trijicon TR24. In fact I have thought about trading the Magnifier and Aimpoint for one.
If I had it to do over again I would go with a 1-4 optic like the Trijicon TR24. In fact I have thought about trading the Magnifier and Aimpoint for one.
Texas Bob
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I've been thru hurricanes on both the east coast and the gulf states. This is what I've seen.
Your "range to engagement" will be under 50yards .01% with the remainding 99.99% under 25yards. An Aimpoint Micro will do just fine, remember to replace the battery every Feb. 29th. This is what is on both my AR and AK.
That said, I have the Aimpoint Magnifier on a LaRue QD pivot mount on my AR. Why, because it is a "force magnifier" that allows me to "scan" the area out to 100yds to see what is beyound my " immediate area of concern", ie, are children playing down the block? I "will be held responsible" for any rounds I fire.
I've used EO Tech, Aimpoint, ACOG 3x and 4x, both inside and outside under varing lighting conditions, searching for the combination that would suit me, and the conclusion I've come to is an Aimpoint Micro using a LaRue QD mount and the Aimpoint Magnifier using a LaRue QD pivot mount will solve 99.99% of any self defense situation I could ever conceive. YMMV.
Your "range to engagement" will be under 50yards .01% with the remainding 99.99% under 25yards. An Aimpoint Micro will do just fine, remember to replace the battery every Feb. 29th. This is what is on both my AR and AK.
That said, I have the Aimpoint Magnifier on a LaRue QD pivot mount on my AR. Why, because it is a "force magnifier" that allows me to "scan" the area out to 100yds to see what is beyound my " immediate area of concern", ie, are children playing down the block? I "will be held responsible" for any rounds I fire.
I've used EO Tech, Aimpoint, ACOG 3x and 4x, both inside and outside under varing lighting conditions, searching for the combination that would suit me, and the conclusion I've come to is an Aimpoint Micro using a LaRue QD mount and the Aimpoint Magnifier using a LaRue QD pivot mount will solve 99.99% of any self defense situation I could ever conceive. YMMV.
I have the ta31f with some practice and learning the bindon aiming concept you will be able to be fast and effective at cqb or self defence ranges and also be able to reach out there if need be. I use this optic on my defence rifle and my three gun and love it. Close up ranges I shoot both eyes open and farther away I close what ever eye is not on the optic.
Pony Express
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personally, I would take an ACOG in the 1.5x range over an aimpoint. If you were set on a RDS, the compML4 or another red dot that takes AA batteries would be my first choice. Heck, I might look at a 1.5x ACOG just cause I like the idea of them. No batteries, low magnification, BDC.
I'm not liking the 1.5x ACOG for a couple reasons:
1. Price around $900
2. No magnification option - magnification is quasi night vision in urban areas.
3. Reticle washout when using weapon mounted lights.
In my opinion, a RDS with a good magnifier is the best solution out there.
1. The RDS is primary. Short distance threats are the most dangerous. An RDS is superior at close distance on dynamic, moving targets.
2. The magnifier lets you look into dark places.
3. The magnifier gives you a good sight picture at a distance.
4. The magnifier is fast to switch in with a Larue mount. Or, you can look through for it for target ID by just canting your weapon.
5. An Aimpoint makes the battery issue a non-issue. 50,000 -70,000 hrs.
1. Price around $900
2. No magnification option - magnification is quasi night vision in urban areas.
3. Reticle washout when using weapon mounted lights.
In my opinion, a RDS with a good magnifier is the best solution out there.
1. The RDS is primary. Short distance threats are the most dangerous. An RDS is superior at close distance on dynamic, moving targets.
2. The magnifier lets you look into dark places.
3. The magnifier gives you a good sight picture at a distance.
4. The magnifier is fast to switch in with a Larue mount. Or, you can look through for it for target ID by just canting your weapon.
5. An Aimpoint makes the battery issue a non-issue. 50,000 -70,000 hrs.
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HorseSoldier
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Cops are legally empowered to engage in shootings that are not purely defensive in nature which (among other reasons) makes them a seperate category to civilians.
I've never had an issue with reticle washout on a BAC equipped ACOG, shows up fine.
I've never had an issue with reticle washout on a BAC equipped ACOG, shows up fine.
Still 2 Many Choices!?
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The flip to side mount gives the best of boh worlds, but with a little weight cost to it. When flipped to the side, the magnifier can still be used by simply canting the rifle 45 degrees, and if a close up target was to emerge, you simply cant the rifle back to your normal firing position.
If it's night time, remove the magnifier( I would leave the mount on though), and put on whatever light or laser you would opt for. You still have the option to add it back in 10 seconds if kept handy and you need it. I say it's the best of both worlds, with only the added weight, and a slightly "busier" rail.
Still 2 Many Choices!?
If it's night time, remove the magnifier( I would leave the mount on though), and put on whatever light or laser you would opt for. You still have the option to add it back in 10 seconds if kept handy and you need it. I say it's the best of both worlds, with only the added weight, and a slightly "busier" rail.
Still 2 Many Choices!?
230therapy
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The true choice is to have two guns. On with an Aimpoint and another with the Trijicon 4x32 RCO.
There, I just spent $2500 of your money!
Alternatively, mount both on quick detach mounts guaranteed to maintain zero. Switch as needed.
There, I just spent $2500 of your money!
Alternatively, mount both on quick detach mounts guaranteed to maintain zero. Switch as needed.
HorseSoldier
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I've used a TA31 at night with a light and have not had problems with acquiring the reticle -- the fiber optic picked up the increased ambient light without any issues.
Bartholomew Roberts
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I've had the ACOG reticle turn black when used with a weaponlight at night; but because it is an etched reticle, it doesn't wash out like the Trijicon Reflex will - though I have seen cases where you lose a lot of reticle contrast using an amber reticle and a weaponlight in some very specific environments.
For my own use I went with "get both" and have a TA11 with an Aimpoint T1 in a Larue offset mount. Great Trijicon glass and BDC and T1 speed up close. Only downside is when using the suppressor and T1, the ejection port is right in front of your face so you get a pretty good shot of gas in your face
For my own use I went with "get both" and have a TA11 with an Aimpoint T1 in a Larue offset mount. Great Trijicon glass and BDC and T1 speed up close. Only downside is when using the suppressor and T1, the ejection port is right in front of your face so you get a pretty good shot of gas in your face
The thing that I don't like about the ACOG with the offset T1 is that the RDS is not primary. If you need the T1, odds are you will need it fast. There is a tendency under stress to drop into the ACOG not the T1. Every single gun you have ever shot or will shoot has the primary sight at the 0 degree position. It is just too different.
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