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Has anyone from Missouri (or else where too, I suppose) been hearing ads on the radio form an organization that purports to be protecting our guns as well as hunting and fishing lands? These ads bash the NRA pretty seriously. If you have been hearing the ads, what is the name of the organization and what is their agenda?

Every time I hear the ad, I wonder if they are not one of these groups that want to enact gun control for everything that is not a "hunting firearm." I do not know, but am curious.
 
Here in the Houston area Nick Lampson (D) is running ads touting his NRA endorcement and A+ rating trying to win the seat vacated by Tom Delay.

Lampson is one of the good pro-gun Dems who was forced out by redistricting.

I don't live in that district.

--wally.
 
I have heard them too, here in MO, they have to be some sort of liberal anti-gun environmentalist group because they are going after gun companies and anyone the NRA supports.
 
I don't recall the name of the group...but the National Rifleman Magazine recently made mention of them. They are a group of anti-gunners who have re-grouped and now proclaim themselves to be pro hunting and such. Just another way to get us down to having the one shotgun that we NEED.
 
I think this is it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1731975/posts

NRA TRIUMPHS! False AHSA Ad Campaign Taken Down
NRA - ILA ^ | November 03, 2006 | NA

Posted on 11/03/2006 7:18:53 PM PST by neverdem


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NRA TRIUMPHS!
False AHSA Ad Campaign Taken Down

Friday, November 03, 2006

Fairfax, VA – The National Rifle Association (NRA) succeeded in ending a misleading and false advertising campaign in Missouri produced and/or paid for by the American Hunters and Shooters Association (“AHSA”) – an anti-gun group deceptively masking itself as a pro-hunting organization. The radio advertisements contained egregiously false and misleading statements regarding the NRA.

NRA Chief Lobbyist Chris W. Cox stated, “These radio stations and their management made the correct and lawful decision to cease and desist the erroneous advertisements created by this anti-gun group. The blatantly false accusations and statements made by AHSA simply prove exactly what we’ve been saying all along – do not trust these characters. Their background and their money reek of anti-gun and anti-hunting influence.”

These advertisements were taken down after NRA contacted station managers in Missouri and advised them of the blatant inaccuracies. Two radio stations have ceased running the false advertisements, and additional stations have requested AHSA show documentation of their claims.
 
Just Got on the AHSA's Web Site

Here is an excerpt from their "Who We Are" page.

According to a 2003 Field & Stream National Hunting Survey, sportsmen overwhelmingly support reasonable gun safety proposals. Moreover, an overwhelming majority of hunters support proposals like background checks to purchase guns, keeping military style assault weapons off our streets and the elimination of cop killer bullets.

In recent years, extreme political positions purporting to support gun rights have jeopardized our sport and have hurt the image of responsible gun owners. Unless the sporting community can become unified behind an organization that fights for safe and responsible hunting and shooting practices and sensible gun ownership, future generations may be unable to participate in and enjoy the shooting sports.


Yep, they smack of in the closet gun grabbers.
 
Thats the group and as of today they are still running adds here in southwest MO, I heard one this afternoon.
 
According to a 2003 Field & Stream National Hunting Survey, sportsmen overwhelmingly support reasonable gun safety proposals. Moreover, an overwhelming majority of hunters support proposals like background checks to purchase guns, keeping military style assault weapons off our streets and the elimination of cop killer bullets.
Sadly, there's probably a a lot of truth in these statements.
 
Mark of distinction

I got a "Robo-Call" last week informing me that my local congress critter had accepted support from "the extremist gun lobby and the NRA" and was actually against banning military "style" assault weapons to keep our children safe.

That cemented my vote for him.

I just wish they had real, live people calling, so you could actually ask them what an assault weapon was.

I wonder if you can hear a blank stare over the phone?
 
Yeah, AHSA has been around for awhile and has ties to the Clintons and other anti-gun people and groups. Source

I emailed them last year and told them that I didn't need to use the "Tell 5 Friends" tab on thir page because I already told far more than 5 people that they're nothing more than a scam and a front for the anti-gun lobby, set up to divide and conquer gun owners in the US.

Of course I got a canned response back that 'ensured' me that nothing could be further from the truth and that they were fighting far harder for my RKBA than the NRA was. Yeah. :barf:
 
this from thier website:
Moreover, AHSA agrees with the Justice Department of the United States that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse.
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So let me guess, we'll let Nancy, Obama, and Tedd decide what firearms to ban and not to ban eh?:rolleyes:

Thats a very missleading organization; and potentially very dangerous to our cause.
 
I just wish they had real, live people calling, so you could actually ask them what an assault weapon was.

I wonder if you can hear a blank stare over the phone?

Ouch! You owe me a keyboard, mine now suffers from a Dr. pepper infection.
 
I got a "Robo-Call" last week informing me that my local congress critter had accepted support from "the extremist gun lobby and the NRA" and was actually against banning military "style" assault weapons to keep our children safe.
I wish somebody could say the same thing about my Senator, DeWine. He's an anti-gun loser, but so's his Democrat opponent (although I've heard he's only an NRA D as opposed to an F like DeWine). I had a choice of two anti-gunners, one the choice of one of whom would put hardcore anti-gunners in serious leadership positions in the Senate.
 
Went on AHSA Website..

and posted the following:

After reading your position papers and other matter on your website, you have convinced this life mamber of the NRA to do something he hasn't done in years. I'm immediately sending my check to the NRA for several hundred dollars to support their efforts to subdue you idiots.
 
We have had the phony "sportsmen" around for a long time. FDR, one of the worst enemies of gun owners we have had (and certainly the first anti-gun president), once went to a military range, put on a shooting coat, and had himself placed in the prone position, holding an M1903 Springfield. The photo appeared in the newspapers and even the NRA printed the picture, not realizing it was a pure fake. (Roosevelt never fired a shot, the whole thing was phony, and he could never have fired standing or kneeling.) In case we forget, it was FDR who gave us the NFA and FFA, and wanted an even worse law.

The original administration proposal, in 1934, would have registered and taxed transfers not only of machineguns, but on all guns. The original taxes (IIRC) were $5000 on a machinegun, $2000 on a handgun, $1000 on a rifle, and $200 on a shotgun. Plus $5 a round on pistol ammo, $1 on rifle ammo and $.50 on shotshells, to be sold only after federal approval. Remember this was when many workers made a dollar or two a day. Imagine spending a week's pay on one round of pistol ammunition!

Congress watered it down to basically the NFA as it exists today.

Naturally, FDR said the proposed law would not affect sportsmen. With those taxes, we can figure out that "sportsmen" mean super rich FDR cronies.

And who can forget John Kerrey, the "hunter"? Trust Democrats on gun control? Not a good idea.

Jim
 
This thread got me feeling mean toward these 'sportsmans' groups so I sent them this"


Instead of using the "Tell 5 Friends" tab on your site, I will use whatever means I can, including word of mouth, email, web forums, and blogs to spread the word about your organization. The word being that you are nothing more than a front for the anti-gun lobby, with the designed purpose of dividing gun owners so as to further a gun-control agenda.

"AHSA is committed to supporting our nation’s law enforcement officers in their fight against easy access to guns by criminals, terrorists and others."

And who might these 'others' be? My guess is that eventually 'others' will come to mean everyone else who isn't a criminal or a terrorist.

"AHSA is a non-partisan organization that advocates and advances sensible public policies. We will never support unfettered access to all types of weapons."

Funny, I don't remember restrictions being placed on the types of weapons that can be kept and used in those 27 words that you seem to hold so dear, nor do I recall the RKBA being a privledge bestowed on us by our government.

"AHSA will promote modern, scientific and friendly range development practices that ensure indoor and outdoor shooting ranges are safe for shooters, their families and the environment."

Sounds like a lot of words to basically say 'legislate most shooting ranges out of existence'

I could go on, but why bother. Here, my words will have no effect. At the gun shops, gun shows, hunting camps and web forums that I frequent, they'll carry much more impact.

I must go now. I have to spread the word and write a check to the NRA. The NRA, now there' a pro-gun organization I can get behind.
 
In all my years in Alaska, I don't ever recall seeing anti-gun ad on tv up here.

I know there are isolated pockets of antis hovering around the universities and certainly some DSMFs who come up for seasonal work, but it's not an issue in AK politics except at the national level.
 
The Springfield paper had a big write up the other day about the AHSA endorsing the Dem. for congress(looks like they got their wish, too).
That same day one of the Springfield classic rock stations was playing the ad that bashed the NRA.
I had gotten a letter the day before to contribute to the NRA-ILA. I had put it aside, but I've since sent them a donation, and now have my NRA-ILA sticker on my car.
 
Cop killer bullets

I noticed a reference from the group's web page to "cop-killer bullets". Now what in the world does that mean? As far as I know, a .22 short, the weakest bullet money can buy, is still perfectly capable of killing a cop, or any other human being, depending on how it is applied. I read a government stat the other day that said about 10% of cops who were killed by gunfire (other than from their own gun), were killed with .22 rimfire. Sounds like a cop-killer bullet to me. And what's this nonsense about "assault wepons"? what does that mean? A pocket knife is an assault weapon, if you assault someone with it. Isn't it? Are these people going to outlaw pocket knives and .22's?
 
The original administration proposal, in 1934, would have registered and taxed transfers not only of machineguns, but on all guns. The original taxes (IIRC) were $5000 on a machinegun, $2000 on a handgun, $1000 on a rifle, and $200 on a shotgun. Plus $5 a round on pistol ammo, $1 on rifle ammo and $.50 on shotshells, to be sold only after federal approval. Remember this was when many workers made a dollar or two a day. Imagine spending a week's pay on one round of pistol ammunition!

Jim, do you have a source for this? I've got a passing interest in reading what was written about the NFA and such at the time it was proposed and passed.
 
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