After you shoot?

[HankB]

I can't agree with or recommend following the actions LiquidTension posted, but when I was living in Chicago I remember talking about this to one of my shooting buddies, who happened to be a Chicago cop.

He said every year there were a number of "no witness" shootings at close range where a known bad guy expired after being shot - from the front - so close there were powder burns on him. Nothing was taken, there was often a gun or knife dropped nearby, and "nobody saw nuthin'."

The thinking on the part of the CPD was that the bad guy tried to rob or assault some regular person who was probably carrying illegally and got shot for his trouble. If the bad guy had a record (it was usually a multi-page rap sheet), they didn't expend a whole lot of manpower investigating these. As he said, if there's no cop around to catch the BG for assaulting someone, there's no cop around to catch a victim who fights back.

Seeking medical care and contacting an attorney is the best advice.

I agree with Battlespace on this.

 

[LiquidTension]

That was my point Hank.

 

[Khaotic]

I can tell none of you ever dealt with the BCPD (Baltimore City MD, PD)

Some jerk could hold up a 7-11, gun down the whole staff, 2 old ladies and a puppy, reload, and pump half a clip down the street at YOU, and if you shot him - YOU WOULD DO TIME.
Period.

There have been repeated incidents in the city of baltimore which have almost without fail, wound up with the citizen who did the shooting, no matter how righteous, no matter how obviously righteous, no matter how much evidence that it was righteous, they still did time.

I've shared a couple with Revdisk, to his seething disgust.

If I had to cap someone in the city, and it looked at all possible, I'd be ghosting on em, high chance it would just get chucked in "drug-related" and buried under next weeks bodycount, and forgotten.

Thankfully I've since moved to a kinder place, but for your Marylanders, be advised, for the horrible crime of self defense, in Baltimore, you'll fry.

-K

 

[logical]

I fail to see what the purpose of faking a need for medical attention. And saying you feared for your life isn't helpful....that doesn't mean your fears were justfied. Shut up and lawyer up.

 

[WT]

HankB - we have a lot of those 'no witness' shootings in my area. What a coincidence, huh? In my area they are called 'misdemeanor murders.' Cops love them. Makes their job easier.

 

[Jay Kominek]

I fail to see what the purpose of faking a need for medical attention.

It seemed to be repeatedly mentioned that it is possible you've been injured without realizing it, so you might as well ask for medical attention. It doesn't hurt to get more medical attention that you necessarily need, either.

 

[HankB]

I fail to see what the purpose of faking a need for medical attention.

First, you're not necessarily faking - after the adrenaline dump wears off, you may just find you SHOULD be checked out by an MD. It doesn't hurt anything to ask the LEO to take you away from the scene to a hospital or something.

Second, it gets you away from the scene. Reporters, onlookers, etc., are not your friends.

Third, by asking for medical attention, you're basically asking the cop for help - he's trained to help people, or at least he's supposed to be - and you reinforce the fact that YOU, and not the perp you shot, are the victim of the crime.

Fourth, say you ask for medical transport, and the cop or his supervisor denies it, and keeps questioning you or something . . . and you say something you shouldn't which comes back to haunt you in criminal or civil proceedings. Your lawyer may be able to make an argument along the lines of "My client was in pain, asked for medical care, and was denied it until he answered the LEO's questions and gave him the answer he wanted. OF COURSE he had to say SOMETHING, just to get to a doctor." (Probably a lawyer could expand on this.)

 

[GRB]

I fail to see what the purpose of faking a need for medical attention.

Well I cannot say it much beter than in the post directly above this one but I will add some more.

I thought I had made clear why you should seek medical attention and there is no faking anything. If you have ever been involved in a police or civilian situation type shooting you possibly would know what I mean. I can guarantee your blood pressure is most likely sky high after such a shoot. You will feel ill from the let down after the massive adrenalin rush you experience. This may actually include physical symptoms of the shakes and nausea. Chest tightness or chest pain may also be experienced. Light headedness is also fairly common. Not only should you seek medical attention for your BP and the other symptoms, but you should seek it for your mental state. Seeing a psychiatrist (and all psychiatrists are MDs of some sort) immediately after a shooting is good medicine. If you do not think you are suffering mentally after a shooting, please think again for your own good. Other fairly common symptoms experienced in the aftermath of, or during a shooting, can be wetness of the pants or heaviness of the pants in the rear. These are nothing to laugh at if they happen to you. You shoulkd seek medical attention if these have happened too - and really as funny as it may seem it is no laughing matter if it happens. To lose bladder or bowel control can be indicative of serious bodily injury to the back or other areas and can also be indicative of acute severe mental trauma.

Faking has nothing to do with it, really it doesn't. If you feel any symptoms at all no matter how slight, you absolutely need medical attention right away. Then again, you really don't need to believe you even have been injured; you only have to seek medical attention in order to find out your health status after such a brutal and traumatic experience that normally throws a person's physical and mental staus at least temporarily out of synch.

All the best,
Glenn b

 

[yotehunter]

I suppose that "thinning out the gene pool" would be a bad statement

 

[lbmii]

To run or not to run?

I don't know. I do know that I load my carry rounds straight out of the box while wearing latex gloves.

It is a really hard call. I really do not want to pay some felon for the rest of my working life. The law is upside down where I live. Good is bad, bad is good. It is only fair that everyone is entitled to everyone else's money.

Khaotic's post is very much correct.

 

[45 ACP]

"I didn't do anything wrong. I don't want to answer any questions. I want to speak to my attorney."

In that EXACT order, repeat as necessary.

Very likely you're gonna take a ride, get photographed and printed. No sense in giving the seemingly inevitable civil suit more ammo against you (pun intended)

 

[Gunhead]

"Excuse me officers, can I get my camera to take pictures for THR?"

 

[Nitram68]

I suppose that "thinning out the gene pool" would be a bad statement

Or how about "Culling of the gene pool"

 

[Ankeny]

I spoke with our county attorney and an investigator with the Sheriff's Office about this very issue on seperate occasions. Oddly enough, both of them gave me the same advice as Jack2427.

 

[Island Beretta]

Wait on the attorney. A medical checkup is always good advice- can help in the court case as well. Very important that you ensure any evidence at scene is booked and recorded e.g. the attacker's weapon.

A while back I was in a situation and sought to document it as I intended to go to court with it. When I presented the document to my lawyer the next day, he politely asked if he could destroy the document as even though it was written from the heart he saw many things written there that a good attorney could use to devastating effect against me....

needless to say I was dumbfounded as I thought the truth however written was the truth!! He said yes, but there is the little issue of credibility..you can be honest but still not come across as credible..

 

[callgood]

You tell the law you intend to co-operate, but will only do so with your attorney present. Call lawyer. DO NOT UTTER ANOTHER PEEP TO LEOs, no matter how consoling they are. Your lawyer should advise you to file a complaint pronto against the other party.

 

[patentnonsense]

Lots of us are saying very similar things here, but I'd add that you ALSO need to be very careful what you say to ambulance and ER personnel - medical privilege has some funny holes in it. Talk about what happened TO your body, not about what you thought or saw or did or didn't do.

As a citizen, I personally think that it makes a lot of sense to tell the cops just enough to let them figure out that you're not the bad guy - their on-scene assessment will color the way they write their reports - but experienced defense attorneys might disagree with me on this. In any case, DON'T forget to clam up after (at most) a sentence or two; and if you're not sure you can stop talking, maybe you'd better not start.