Ah yes, the principled "Gridlock" voters......

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I read posts here about how some folks were going to either not vote, or vote for Dems to "send a message" and to create "gridlock" with a Dem house and Repub senate.

Uh, considering how the races left in Montana and Viriginia are looking right now, and that Dems taking control of the Senate to go along with the Dem House looks very, very likely, I'm just wondering how that "Gridlock" is working out for ya now?

Just curious is all................

hillbilly
 
Ditto, TBL. In Idaho, 3rd Parties got 4% of the vote. It goes up a bit more each election. I'll rejoin the Pubbies when they start acting like conservatives.

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Yea fella's in mean time enjoy that new AWB thats coming. By the way Malone you'll get your wish and then some on the senate. Both of those (I)'s vote like (D)'s so if the Dems win the last two seats like it looks they will they will basically have the house and senate. If you guys aren't NRA members yet I would recomend doing so soon because things are going to get hot for gun owners everywhere.
 
We will get a new AWB only if Bush (a Republican) signs it.

Are you saying that you have no confidence in our Republican president to stop the AWB??? I thought everyone here thought Bush was secretly against the AWB, and only saying he supported it to get elected.
 
I read posts here about how some folks were going to either not vote, or vote for Dems to "send a message" and to create "gridlock" with a Dem house and Repub senate.
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Flattering, really, but I don't think that we caused the Democrat victories. The High Road doesn't have that kind of power. Yet. :evil:
 
I HAD confidence that a Republican House would stop an AWB law. I don't have a lot of confidence in Bush. I think he would VETO it in a vacuum, but I think he has a bad habit of signing bad bills if he thinks it will let him gain on something else.

I am also concerned that the Dems will cut military funding for Iraq and we'll end up withdrawing, leaving Iraq to the Islamofascists, and ending up with another Vietnam ending. I think that would be a bad thing.
 
I HAD confidence that a Republican House would stop an AWB law. I don't have a lot of confidence in Bush. I think he would VETO it in a vacuum, but I think he has a bad habit of signing bad bills if he thinks it will let him gain on something else.
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The House was the most effective part of the gov't over the last few years. Unfortunately, it's the one people were willing to sacrifice.

Waxman has already promised investigations into each and every think that he's whined about for years. As company after company gets hauled onto the carpet because their business model didn't meet his socialist ideal, and as investigations into other areas destroy careers for nothing more than political advantage or vendettas, you'll see Republicans make deals on how the investigations are conducted, and those will include deals on gun control.

And the sad thing is, the Reps will get all the blame for those deals.
 
I don't have a lot of confidence in Bush. I think he would VETO it in a vacuum, but I think he has a bad habit of signing bad bills if he thinks it will let him gain on something else.

I am also concerned that the Dems will cut military funding for Iraq and we'll end up withdrawing...
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Dang, you were so close to connecting the dots on that one. How about
Bush signs a new AWB and the Demos "let" him stay in Iraq a little longer, hmmm?

Isn't that how a good plan comes together?
 
I voted across the board Conservative. There were ZERO checkmarks on my ballot for Democrats.

That there weren't more for GOP candidates is not my fault, but the GOP's.
 
We will get a new AWB only if Bush (a Republican) signs it.
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So we will get a new AWB.

Bush has never been much of a Republican in my book, at least not the sort of Republican I support. He just wasn't Gore or Kerry.

Waxman has already promised investigations into each and every think that he's whined about for years. As company after company gets hauled onto the carpet because their business model didn't meet his socialist ideal, and as investigations into other areas destroy careers for nothing more than political advantage or vendettas, you'll see Republicans make deals on how the investigations are conducted, and those will include deals on gun control.
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Yup. Self-interest trumps all, even the future of the US. When we turn Iraq into a loss next year, and show how weak we are, it will be to save some politician's career from a drubbing by anti-war lefties in his/her district.
 
The next questions is how will Congressional Repubs react to this? Will they get down to business and do their best to stop some of these things or will they continue being stupidly moderate and trying to be nice.

I have a feeling the Dems are going to be pretty nasty over the next 6 months.
 
We will get a new AWB only if Bush (a Republican) signs it.

Are you saying that you have no confidence in our Republican president to stop the AWB??? I thought everyone here thought Bush was secretly against the AWB, and only saying he supported it to get elected.
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You do realize that you are talking about the same George Bush who promised to sign any AWB that crossed his desk?

I think the best we can hope for is an AWB that does not go beyond the 1994 version. I count on seeing the a prohibition against civilian purchase and/or ownership of 50 BMG weapons, and possibly all 50 cal weapons.
 
The next questions is how will Congressional Repubs react to this? Will they get down to business and do their best to stop some of these things or will they continue being stupidly moderate and trying to be nice.
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Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Ah yes, the principled "Gridlock" voters......

I read posts here about how some folks were going to either not vote, or vote for Dems to "send a message" and to create "gridlock" with a Dem house and Repub senate.

Uh, considering how the races left in Montana and Viriginia are looking right now, and that Dems taking control of the Senate to go along with the Dem House looks very, very likely, I'm just wondering how that "Gridlock" is working out for ya now?

Just curious is all................

hillbilly
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While you may not like the results that doesn't make the independant voters any less right than anyone else. They exercised their franchise, as is their right.

---The rest of this post, a Straw Man argument, was removed by poster. My apology for writing it in the first place, let's get back to the high road---
 
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There are some curious parallels between disgruntled party voters and anti's. One wants to control the guns, the other (apparently) wants to control votes. You might want to ponder that point before you jump on someone for their voting choices.
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The proper analogy is about target identification. It's not an issue of owing a firearm, but of aiming at the right target. No one is talking about controlling someone else's vote. But when a person claims they want the fantasy of gridlock as a justification for a vote, that's subject to debate and ridicule.

So, if he's trying to control votes, aren't you trying to control his speech? Isn't that an anti thing to do?
 
Oh yes, ZePectre...you are soooo right about me.

I'm trying to control other peoples' votes by asking them questions after theyve already voted.

:rolleyes:

hillbilly
 
Gridlock can go both ways. Sometimes nothing gets done, but other times both parties want something and one or both heavily compromise themselves to get it. I think you get just as many bad bills out of a gridlocked govt.
 
Remember: the Senate voted to renew the AWB in '04. The House didn't.

Gridlock is a difficult game.
 
The concept of gridlock is based on the idea that the opposing parties have the ability to interfere in the operation of government, and an inability (or sufficiently strong unwillingness) to overcome said ability. It goes beyond a filibuster which requires the consent of the opposing party to maintain. In the '90s, there was gridlock over Clinton's budget. The Reps were wanting to flex their muscle and Clinton was more than happy to let them look like the bad guys.

Those conditions do not exist currently. The Dems have considerable power, and the Reps don't really have the ability or motivation to block the use of said power. The Dems have already announced their intentions to conduct massive, sweeping investigations of everything that has raised their hackles since 1994. These investigations, even of the innocent, can destory careers and lives if conducted in the "right" way. A lot of people are going to be very willing to play ball in order to mitigate the damage. And the Dems have sufficient power in the House and Senate to insure the investigations go forward as they please if Reps don't play ball.

Furthermore, like it or not, we have armed forces engaged in combat around the world. The Dems have already expressed a desire to get them back immediately, and the easiest way to do so is to cut or block funding. Deaths that occur from the resulting rout will be laid at the Reps feet. To continue operations or even to conduct the retreat in as safe a manner as possible is going to take considerable funds, which the Dems now control. You think Bush or the Reps are going to go for gridlock in that situation?

The one chance is that the Dems will play it smart and not overreach, counting on 2008. But that is not what their leadership is saying and it's not what history shows.
 
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