Aimpoint Micro Wow!

[averius]

I am thinking of buying an aimpoint micro H-1 or T-1 from botach tactical...I've read some good reviews about them and some very bad ones...does anyone here have personal experience with this vendor? Are they reliable and do they sell the real deal?

Also, what's a good price range for the H-1? how about the T-1?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I have bought two from Botach when they were on sale. However, if you need a riser to bring the sight up to AR15 sight height, want quick detach, and maybe if you want flipup end caps instead of the rubber bikini, this was the last version I purchased.
http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?id=177&parents=84,85

I am quite pleased with it. It is only available for the T-1 model.

 

[averius]

I have bought two from Botach when they were on sale. However, if you need a riser to bring the sight up to AR15 sight height, want quick detach, and maybe if you want flipup end caps instead of the rubber bikini, this was the last version I purchased.
http://www.gggaz.com/index.php?id=177&parents=84,85

I am quite pleased with it. It is only available for the T-1 model

Howw does this compare to the package that Larue has for the same price with tis mount? I am not very knowledgeable about different mounts, is the one offered in the package that you bought similar in quality to Larue? does it hold zero after detachment?

tx.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

As good as the micro is, the Trijicon FO-RMR is that much better, IMO - smaller, lighter, and no batteries ever.

 

[tkopp]

I haven't played with an Ultimak, but I'm not sure that a micro red dot + base would allow you to cowitness on an AK. It sits considerably higher than an Aimpoint with a side emitter. The aimpoints, being tubes, are also more resistant to rain or sand that might obstruct the emitter on a micro red dot.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

As good as the micro is, the Trijicon FO-RMR is that much better, IMO - smaller, lighter, and no batteries ever.

Except that I've yet to see a Trijicon Reflex sight that doesn't have washout issues. Not a big deal with the ACOG, because you have an etched reticle to back up the tritium and fiber optic illumination. However, with the Reflex, it means your reticle disappears entirely (or you use the sight like an occluded eye gunsight and accept the limitations that come with that). At least with batteries, I have some control over when the reticle goes away

However, I will agree that after using the TA11 a lot, I've been spoiled on having my brightness adjusted automatically for me. The first few times I had to reach up and manually adjust the brightness on the T1, I felt like I had gone from a car to a horse & buggy. However, once you get a feel for the different brightness levels; it is pretty easy to find a happy medium that works well with the T1 and not mess with it too much.

 

[Justin]

Howw does this compare to the package that Larue has for the same price with tis mount? I am not very knowledgeable about different mounts, is the one offered in the package that you bought similar in quality to Larue? does it hold zero after detachment?

My setup is the one that LaRue has. I'm pleased with it. Last summer, I was using the QD mount to move the scope from a Rock River carbine to a Tactical Solutions .22 upper. There wasn't a noticeable difference in point of impact shift for the .223.

Unfortunately, the .223 and .22 LR didn't shoot to the same point of aim at fifty yards. (I know, but a guy can dream, right?)

 

[averius]

I am losing my mind trying to decide how to spend my money...I like the aimpoint but the added costs of the mounts and the aimpoint #xmangifier with the flit to side is expensive....

eotech has a good deal on the 3x magnifier with the flip to side and the 557.223 model or the XPs ..I cna get the entire package for 900 and not worry about mounts. To get the aimpoint set up with a magnifier seems more expensive by several hundred dollars..am I wrong?

 

[Justin]

Averius, the best place to start is to figure out what you want the rifle to do, and then configure your equipment to fill that niche.

What distances do you regularly shoot at? How big or small are the targets? Is speed a factor in target engagement? Will you be engaging more than one target, or shooting a single target from a single position?

 

[averius]

What distances do you regularly shoot at? How big or small are the targets? Is speed a factor in target engagement? Will you be engaging more than one target, or shooting a single target from a single position?

I go tot he range almost every week. Single targets at 100 - 150 yards from a single posiiton most of the time. I do, however, want a set up that can be used for hunting and cna be interchanged between an AR and an AK platform since I wont be splurging for another purchase for a while. In addition, I want to have a set up for the SHTF times, which I hope none of us will ever experience..but you never know.

 

[DMK]

IMO, a magnifier is unnecessary out to 200y and will add a lot of weight to your rifle, plus the cost. I think amprecon's setup is about perfect.

You can always try the Aimpoint without for a while. If you feel you need magnification, sell the Aimpoint and get a decent scope.

The Eotech's sit too high for an AK IMO. It will be difficult to get a decent cheek weld and impossible to co-witness with irons. Good setup for AR15s, not an AK.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Oh Bart, you're right; forgot about washout; it'll be interesting to see if the RMR suffers from this in bright light like the Reflex does; or not. If not, then it *should* be the shiz-nizzle.

 

[amprecon]

Well I don't have the 6.8 rifle yet, it has been ordered. I ordered a Rock River Arms LAR-6.8 Mid-Length A4. I have been smitten with the 6.8 caliber since I learned of it. I think because it so closely duplicates the .276 Pedersen and .280 British, two rounds I believe were the perfect combat rounds. This 6.8 is merely a modernized version of those two, I just hope it's popularity continues to grow. I am holding my breath.

Nonetheless, I took the SLR-95 out today with the micro H-1 to sight it in. What I noticed was that there is no adjustment arrows under the caps, so you had to remember which way clockwise and counter-clockwise on the knobs took the dot, bringing the manual would've helped
I was able to tell the difference between the 2moa and 4moa dot sizes at this time, but I don't think it affected accuracy out my SLR-95 that much. My groups appeared to be about the same at that range with the 2moa dot. I was using the colored archery targets for some reason and the red dot washed out on the yellow bullseye, so I had to turn the intensity up to see it better. But out to 50 yards I was easily able to keep all shots in the center yellow with very little effort.
What I noticed also was that I had a slightly harder time focusing on the target with my right eye when both eyes were open. It seemed that my left eye wanted to take over and it threw me off a little. I didn't have this problem when using the larger CompC3 sight. I had to squint or even close my left eye to get the proper sight picture.
I don't know if this was because the micro sight body is so small(?). The larger red dot sight body is larger and takes up more of the field of view of my left eye maybe negating this problem(?), but it was a little annoying.
Another thing I noticed was that the dot wasn't lined up with the irons, it was off to the right a little, probably because the gas tube rail was slightly off center from the iron sights, but no big deal as I could still use the irons through the bottom end of the red dot.
All-in-all, I think this is the best setup for AK rifles, it's small and definitely doesn't add all that much weight and size to the front of the rifle....so I think it's a keeper.

 

[averius]

Well I don't have the 6.8 rifle yet, it has been ordered. I ordered a Rock River Arms LAR-6.8 Mid-Length A4. I have been smitten with the 6.8 caliber since I learned of it. I think because it so closely duplicates the .276 Pedersen and .280 British, two rounds I believe were the perfect combat rounds. This 6.8 is merely a modernized version of those two, I just hope it's popularity continues to grow. I am holding my breath.

I've been following the 6.8 round since I saw the "future Wepaons" episode about it and LWRC PASd rifle, which rifle I bought as a result -- but I bought it in the 5.56 cal b/c at the time the 6.8 ammo was impossible to get. LWRC rifles in any caliber are very very nice but they are also very very expensive.

I tried doing some research into the RRA 5.8 version...is it a gas-piston platform?

Does it come with picatinny rails for optics? What are your impressions fot he rifle overal? Were you able to order straight from the manufacturer for delivery to a local FFL? How much do thye go for?

Sorry about the dozens of quesitons, I am just very interested in any reliable option for a gas-piston AR in 6.8 for less than the 2K+ that a LWRC woudl run me.

 

[averius]

IMO, a magnifier is unnecessary out to 200y and will add a lot of weight to your rifle, plus the cost.

I do a lot of reading for a living, and as a result my eye sight has been getting worse. I am near sighted at this point so 50 to 100 yards w/o a magnifier is actually very uncomfortable for me. I basically have no choice but to have a magnifier even for CQB type environments. LAsik surgery to correct my vision is much more expensive

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I am near sighted at this point so 50 to 100 yards w/o a magnifier is actually very uncomfortable for me. I basically have no choice but to have a magnifier even for CQB type environments.

Then you may not want a simple red dot optic. The notion of a red dot optic with a magnifier is a bit silly if you can only use it with the magnifier. You might as well get something like a 3 or 4 power ACOG.

 

[DMK]

I do a lot of reading for a living, and as a result my eye sight has been getting worse. I am near sighted at this point so 50 to 100 yards w/o a magnifier is actually very uncomfortable for me.

I can sympathize. I have been nearsighted with astigmatism since I was a small child and going into my mid-40s I can see some major changes for the worse.

I have a real problem with iron sights at anywhere past 50y when my focus on the front sight. However, I have really come to find the red dot works better for me due to the fact that I can focus on the target and not the sight. If my glasses are the proper prescription (seems I need to update them more often these days), I can usually see a target fairly clearly if I keep my focus on it.

Of course, magnified optics are better. I've been playing around with a Ukrainian 1.5-4x variable on my FAL and I like it a lot. For close up work (out to 25y) I turn it all the way down to 1.5x and can use it with both eyes open. For anything past 50y, I twist it up to 4x where it still gives you a very good field of view.