Air Rifle Out To 100yds?

[JohnKSa]

My 1377 was never especially accurate. I finally took a very close look inside the barrel and there was a huge pit in the bore just inside the muzzle. I bought a new barrel from Crosman and that gun is now as accurate as I can hold. I've used it to split pellets on razor blades at 6 or 7 paces and it will make the shot every time if I can hold steady.

 

[XtremeConditions]

My 1377 was never especially accurate. I finally took a very close look inside the barrel and there was a huge pit in the bore just inside the muzzle. I bought a new barrel from Crosman and that gun is now as accurate as I can hold. I've used it to split pellets on razor blades at 6 or 7 paces and it will make the shot every time if I can hold steady.

Oh definitely. It sucks that you got a lemon the first time around, but for anyone who is looking at a 1377 and wanting to know about accuracy, just know that it's about as accurate as any gun can be. Which is weird, because the sights actually kind of suck. They're wide/blocky plastic. But after a little practice and a good rest, you'll be shocked at the accuracy you can achieve with a 1377. Having to be disciplined by pumping after each shot, just makes you that much better IMO.

 

[jmorris]

Lol, how many tries did the multi balloons take?

Only took one shot on that one but took a few steps back and forth to get the balloons all in the right spot after resting the rifle on the 100 yd target.

This was the first one.


A 3" or so ballon is actually a pretty easy target, the only reason it needs to be that big is because the wind is moving them around from where they are attached and you can't hit that part or the bullet won't make it to the next target.

They have the ability to hit much smaller targets.

 

[jmorris]

This is a 100 yd target showing 5 shots from my RWS 34, about 3.5" group, with Benjamin .22 pellets.

You don't get them every time but this crow was hit at 98 yards with it.

You won't get that with a 392.

 

[LoonWulf]

Thats some impressive shooting with a springer! Best groups i could get at 50 werent a whole lot smaller.

Ive never done it, but "steroiding" or basically reinforcing the linkage and doing some light valve mods. Is supposed to get the 392s into pcp territory. That should make them viable at 100...if the guns accurate enough, ive only used one and never owned any.

I agree also that the sights are rudimentary on the 13xx and 22xx series of guns. I like the metal replacement breaches, and scopes or other sight types much better.

 

[jmorris]

My old 392 was just under 650 fps with 14.3gn pellets right after a rebuild and 10 pumps.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/benjamin-franklin-rebuild.740397/

It's accurate, just not real powerful.

The springers are less work to shoot but I had to learn how to shoot them. Pretty much just set them somewhere on target and pull the trigger for best results, is it in a nut shell. How you "hold" it has greater effect on accuracy than other rifles, so I shoot them like they would be fired just sitting there.

 

[LoonWulf]

Thats interesting! Ive never seen the guts of a 392, kinda looks like an old spyder or autococker valve.

Thats an interesting take on springer, and not one ive ever tried. Free recoil does make sense tho since they wanna jump around so much, might as well let them.

Ive used the artillery hold which is a similar theory, but i never managed to not induce some kind of erratic behavior in the guns, tho others do just fine.

 

[InfoLoader]

Def .30 caliber air for that range. Even my 25 cal is trying at that distance.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Yeah, that's why i got out of the pcps, couldn't afford the addiction..... Especially when i realized i was seriously looking a getting a hpa compressor.

Never got into the PCP. I just am a totally devoted Springer guy. Own many. Springers just have life to them. And noting beats the Walther LGV right out of the box.
I have the "Challenger" which is the same gun, in a synthetic stock and lighter.

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2013/02/the-astonishing-walther-lgv-part-i.html

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2013/02/the-astonishing-walther-lgv-part-ii.html

 

[RecoilRob]

Appreciate the replies fellas. After researching some more and spending my day off today looking at a couple LGS I'm abandening the notion of getting out to 100yds with a pellet rifle right now. Too rich for my blood.

However I'm still intrigued with the newer "nitro piston" rifles as to whether or not they're any easier to shoot than standard springers. I found a couple of .177 nitro rifles with 4x32 scopes in the $120-150 range today. Would they be better suited for better accuracy at even 50yds? I'd at least like to get better accuracy at 50yds than what I'm getting with my "acclaimed" 800fps .22.


I did however find some ammo today that I will be using as my go to with my .22 for 25-30yds. This stuff was considerably more accurate and consistent than the CM Premier I had been using and have never really liked.






After shooting a golf ball sized group @ 25yds with the above I tried out another type of ammo I picked up today. I'm really confused by the results so maybe some "air experts" here can enlighten me. I realize it's a heavier bullet but I would have thought that would've caused it to drop. Instead you can see the crazy results.

The ammo and the three shots I took before I gave up...

Neither of my .22 Marauders (pistol and rifle) will shoot the TS-22's worth a darn so I'm not surprised at your results. While I'm sure the Marauder rifle would do OK with pellets it likes at 100yds, the trajectory to get them there is so loopy that making hits is pretty hard so I don't bother and keep to 50yds and down. If someone was industrious enough to carefully plot their actual point of impact at various ranges and then be able to apply the correct hold-over for each...then surpisingly good long range performance is absolutely available with a Marauder level PCP. I shoot mostly groundhogs with mine...which is kind of punching above its' level a bit and to anchor them the hit must be delivered with extreme precision along with some decent power. 25 grain JSB Monster @ 900 or so do the job right nice.

 

[BullSlinger]

I just get into air gun in the last few weeks. Wife bought me a Beeman RS2 three years ago and pulled the thing out and put on 22 cal barrel and zeroed the scope at 25 yards. Was impressed but damn it don't cock easy.
I'm a OFWG and retired so I went out and purchased a QB 78 for $125 and sighted it at the same 25 yards. Could not believe how accurate the iron sights (plastic and aluminum probably) are. Mounted a Berska 22 rifle scope on the thing, zeroed at the 25 yards and tearing the bulls-eye out of the target. Aint CO2 great.
I'll go out to fifty tomorrow and see what it does. Then give a try at 100 but think the drop will be to great to get decent groups. Will be fun to try and will let you know.

 

[BullSlinger]

Posted the pics backward. Bottom is 50 yards with 6 inch hold over. Top pic is scope rezeroed for 50 yards.
I tried 100 yards have no idea where the pellet went.

 

[LoonWulf]

Thats pretty good, is your qb a .177 or .22? With a tune up and a little more velocity you can probably get 1" or so out of it at 50

 

[jmorris]

Yeah, that's why i got out of the pcps, couldn't afford the addiction..... Especially when i realized i was seriously looking a getting a hpa compressor.

That was an issue for me too but I enjoy building stuff.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Yep, I will stick to the Springers.

 

[LoonWulf]

That was an issue for me too but I enjoy building stuff.

Why dont you live nearby?

 

[BullSlinger]

Thats pretty good, is your qb a .177 or .22? With a tune up and a little more velocity you can probably get 1" or so out of it at 50

It's a 22. Been a bit windy and I was lazy so have not shot it in a couple of days. Will give 75 yards a try tomorrow and post pics. I have not tuned the gun. It works well as it is so not sure if it would be worth the effort.

 

[Sav .250]

The results you get (what ever that might be) should certainly answer that question. JMO.

 

[LoonWulf]

It's a 22. Been a bit windy and I was lazy so have not shot it in a couple of days. Will give 75 yards a try tomorrow and post pics. I have not tuned the gun. It works well as it is so not sure if it would be worth the effort.

Its very possible it wont make a huge difference. the newest ones are usually pretty good right out of the box, some polishing of internals can get the velocity spreads closer together , and some minor modifications (or purchasing modified parts) can get you another 100fps or so if your so inclined. If you like the gun as is tho there really isnt any NEED to do any of that

 

[AJumbo]

Spring piston guns recoil BEFORE the projectile starts moving. That's because the recoil in a spring piston gun (nitro/gas or metal spring doesn't matter) is due to the movement of the piston which compresses the air that moves the pellet........By the way, your gun does not "like" those pellets. Spring piston guns are often very picky about what pellets they "like" or don't "like". Some airgun sellers offer pellet samplers to allow a shooter to try a wide variety of pellets without having to buy a full tin of each kind they want to test.

A heavier pellet will hit higher initially because as the rifle is recoiling, the pellet is traveling down a bore that is rising in relation to the line of sight. A lighter pellet has less dwell time in the barrel, and so hits lower. That's the theory, anyway.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Why dont you live nearby?

Living near a fill station has nothing to do with my Love for Spring Air Rifles. Spring vs PCP has been a ongoing debate for so many years, I can hardly remember when the debate started. We could go on for ever with this discussion. I love the natural shooting of the Springer's. PCP's feel dead to me, I don't want all the mess that goes with them, and the huge cost. My first air rifle was the cheap Crosman Chinese junk bought at Walmart. Later moved up to a real air rifle the Diana 34. Then more and more fine German, and English rifles. Yes, there is a lot of enthusiasm for PCP air rifles, and there are Bench competition with both. A finely tuned Spring Air Rifle is a total pleasure to shoot. No they do not have the range, of the PCP, nor the power they can generate. But they were never designed for that. Hunting squirrels at 10-40 yards are where they were designed for. No gadgets, no valves, not adapters, no expensive pumps, no hand pumps that make you feel like you had a gym workout, just the pellet and the rifle. One shot, one kill.
I have nothing against PCP, just not my cup of tea.

 

[Speedo66]

I'm not sure my Chinese trainer pellet rifle will make it all the way to 100 yards, well, maybe like a mortar. lol When I was younger, PCP was something some people smoked, not shot.

Seriously, I'm amazed people are able to get groups with a pellet gun at that distance.