Airsoft for Dry fire practice? Where can I get what I need?
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Trigger pull isn't close to being the same on airsoft and real firearms so I can't see how you'd be able to get the benefit. Stick to dry firing the weapon you intend to use so that takeup and break on your handgun are what you learn.
OTOH, Airsoft is useful for Force on Force training where more expensive systems used to be employed. FoF is invaluable in learning to deal with self defense situations. Even there the higher quality airsoft replicas are better than the low end products.
OTOH, Airsoft is useful for Force on Force training where more expensive systems used to be employed. FoF is invaluable in learning to deal with self defense situations. Even there the higher quality airsoft replicas are better than the low end products.
mcdonl
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I have a S&W 410S... I have a gamo pellet gun that is identicle in size and weight and very close in trigger pull. Only problem is the slide does not rack. But, it allows me to setup IDPA targets in my back yard and practice draw/fire drills.
hso said:
The Airsoft that I ordered yesterday should be arriving tomorrow, so I'll be able to see for myself how the trigger pull compares to the XD.
I purchased the Airsoft after speaking with a Front Sight Training instructor, who recommend that I get a good quality replica Airsoft gun to practice dry firing. I wouldn't have even thought that dry firing would benefit because there is no recoil. He told me that it is very valuable and that I would be able to get that benefit with an Airsoft.
Thank you for your opinion. I posted this question to get more feedback on this topic.
Rancho Relaxo
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Since we are on topic, does anybody know of any airsoft pellets that disintegrate? I am really annoyed seeing those little pellets lying all over my yard!
gvnwst
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Here:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/p/Cybergun_6mm_biodegradable_airsoft_BBs_0_20g_2100_rds_white/611
Note, it takes a YEAR for them to totally degrade. If it took less, they would not be hard enough to shoot...
gvnwst
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Actually, my gun, and a lot of my friends are VERY similar to Glock triggers, (among other stock handguns) but yes, if you are used to using a light, really crisp trigger, than airsoft guns are no good for that.
If you are just dryfiring an Airsoft pistol it makes no sense to not use your real pistol; where the Airsoft shines is you can actually shoot them in your house to work on your basics.
I'm assuming the OP meant he was going to actually shoot the Airsoft and not just dryfire it.
I'm assuming the OP meant he was going to actually shoot the Airsoft and not just dryfire it.
rcmodel
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I thought that's what Snap-Caps were for.
Dry-Fire with the real gun you are practicing for.
rc
Dry-Fire with the real gun you are practicing for.
rc
bratch said:
Yes, I purchased 5000 bbs to use. There's nothing like feedback to know how my aim was.
rcmodel said:
Tell me more about using Snap-caps. Will one bullet suffice or will it get ejected after each fire? Also, I heard that dry fire doesn't damage the pistol. Is that true?
indoorsoccerfrea
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all a snapcap does is catch and slow down the firing pin so it doesnt risk getting broken. it wont cause the gun to cycle. basically you load it and cock the hammer back manually and fire, repeat. its to work on your trigger pull and eliminating flinch
indoorsoccerfrea
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umm...im not sure. i would imagine for a very long time if it isnt stepped on or something. it basically is a dummy round with a spring-loaded plastic or metal primer at the back end.
edit: they aren't that expensive all things considered, so buy a few and have at it
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#snap cap____-_1-2-4_8-16-32
edit: they aren't that expensive all things considered, so buy a few and have at it
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#snap cap____-_1-2-4_8-16-32
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"can even be better than practice with live ammo. The reason being that you will learn proper trigger pull without the fatigue and adverse reaction to live fire."
Adverse reaction to live fire.... Noise? Flash? Hot brass? Recoil? FTF? Jam?
Those are the reasons to train with the actual weapon you plan on using.
Adverse reaction to live fire.... Noise? Flash? Hot brass? Recoil? FTF? Jam?
Those are the reasons to train with the actual weapon you plan on using.
gvnwst
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Mostly niose, and recoil. It will make you less likley to flinch, because you are used to NOT fliching when shooting. Same thing with using a .22 for pratice. (except this you can use indoors)
http://frontsight.com/newsletter/html/11-quotes.html
The quote above was from the Front Sight newsletter that just arrived this morning. Interesting, isn't it?
badbadtz560
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I'd say airsoft is very good for draw exercises, point'n shoot, etc... but most of them definitely have different triggers.
I think you're out of luck as far as p225 and xd though... unless a p226 will work as a substitute...
I have a sigp226 and glock17 airsoft gun - the glock trigger pulll is very similar but the p226 was quite different. Unfortunately, glock threatened to sue kwa USA or something, so you prob won't be able to buy the airsoft glocks. I doubt you'll be able to find a quality XD in airsoft form... there's just no market for them in the airsoft world.... yet
I'll recommend these stores:
airsoftatlanta - they're local for me
airsoftgi - good prices, well organized website, good selection
ehobbyasia - good prices, you can buy stuff here you can't get elsewhere... but expect long shipment times because it's in Hong Kong.
And these brands:
kwa/ksc - excellent reliability, often best bang4buck. often have choice b/w metal and plastic versions.
tokyo marui - excellent reliability, is the standard for airsoft guns (like colt for ar15). but they're guns are all plastic due to japanese law
western arms - known to be very accurate and gun designs are just beautiful. Known to have more issues than the two above.
I think you're out of luck as far as p225 and xd though... unless a p226 will work as a substitute...
I have a sigp226 and glock17 airsoft gun - the glock trigger pulll is very similar but the p226 was quite different. Unfortunately, glock threatened to sue kwa USA or something, so you prob won't be able to buy the airsoft glocks. I doubt you'll be able to find a quality XD in airsoft form... there's just no market for them in the airsoft world.... yet
I'll recommend these stores:
airsoftatlanta - they're local for me
airsoftgi - good prices, well organized website, good selection
ehobbyasia - good prices, you can buy stuff here you can't get elsewhere... but expect long shipment times because it's in Hong Kong.
And these brands:
kwa/ksc - excellent reliability, often best bang4buck. often have choice b/w metal and plastic versions.
tokyo marui - excellent reliability, is the standard for airsoft guns (like colt for ar15). but they're guns are all plastic due to japanese law
western arms - known to be very accurate and gun designs are just beautiful. Known to have more issues than the two above.
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My Airsoft arrived yesterday. I have to give Trinity Airsoft an A+ for same day shipping. It's a KWA KP8. I wanted it to be a replica of my XD. For what I got it for it seems to be very close. I haven't put them side by side yet. One difference is the KWA has a hammer like my Sig/Sauer, not like the XD. But for draw and sight focus and shooting with feedback on the aim, it will be fun. I can't shoot my XD in my house like the AS.
I made a target that has a box back to catch the bbs.
The AS is a good quality feel, well made piece. I think I'll like it.
I made a target that has a box back to catch the bbs.
The AS is a good quality feel, well made piece. I think I'll like it.
rainbowbob
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Do the BBs have enough impact to make a neat little hole and go in the box?
A friend of mine has a sticky target for his cheap little spring gun, but it's kind of a pain to peel the BBs off - and they're unusable after that. Of course that's not an issue considering how cheap they are, but I wonder if you plan to "reload"?
Have you tried it yet?
That's pretty impressive service from Trinity.
rainbowbob said:
The bbs have more than enough force to penetrate target paper. They most likely would penetrate one wall on a cardboard target. I would hate to get shot at close range with one.
I tried it in my small office yesterday after everyone else left the building. The bbs are still in the box.
I cant see why I shouldn't be able to use the bbs again. The salesman said that it's not recommended because they can pick up dirt and that could harm the AS gun. Even so, I could put them in a colander and wash them off.
The real expense isn't the bbs, it the green gas.
rainbowbob
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I understand you can buy an adapter and use the small propane cans to fill up. I think you have to mix in silicone to keep the seals lubricated, but it may be considerably cheaper. I believe they sell the adapters and the silicone mix at Trinity.
Can you give a rough estimate based on your initial trial of the cost of green gas (let's say per
hundred rounds)?
I think another problem might be shape distortion or knicks from firing and from impact...but I'm not sure about that.
This seems like a reasonable idea to me as well. At least until primers reappear in the US.
While we all understand that it ISN'T firing a real gun, there have to be valuable aspects of this that will benefit our matches and games. At worst, it's inexpensive entertainment.
RMD
While we all understand that it ISN'T firing a real gun, there have to be valuable aspects of this that will benefit our matches and games. At worst, it's inexpensive entertainment.
RMD
PaulBk
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I get 2,500 shots per small green gas can with my metal slide airsoft replica.
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