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Dry Fire 1911 Practice Tools

Amazingly real, but not real.

Got my WE Caspian Colt Commander today and, of course, slapped on a set of real, vintage Colt grips.

I'll use this for IDPA dry fire practice, but I'm knocked out by how real it feels and handles compared to my match gun. Up until a few weeks ago I had no idea the big time champion pistol shooters practiced with airsoft pistols. Live and learn.

Major props to Manny Bragg for his help and advice regarding effective practicing techniques for match shooting.

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not real
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Hope this helps someone.
 
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Nice. I've had a couple green gas airsoft pistols given to me (Beretta 92 and Sig P229), but they are only accurate to about 15 feet. After that it's crazy luck shooting.

I do have a couple CO2 BB guns I've used the same way since mine are more accurate than my airsoft. They need good back stops though.

It all makes for good garage practice when you can't get to the range. :)
 
chicharrones: 15 feet? from a gas blowback? Something's out of whack there. Do you know how to adjust the hopup, are you using quality ammo, and are you waiting for the mag to warm up after you fill it? Any of those can affect accuracy, but In almost ten years of playing I've never seen a quality airsoft gun perform that badly.

Airsoft's a great way to get in dry fire practice or do some target shooting when you can't get to the range, and the decent gas blowback guns kick about the same as a .22 autoloader. Good point shooting practice, for sure. Good buy on the 1911, those are EXTREMELY tunable; you should have no problem at all matching your trigger pull, balance, etc. to your real one with a couple of parts, even if the recoil will never be there.
 
Nothing's better than using your own weapon for dry fire. There's lots of interesting laser products out there that make dry fire more effective. Beamhit (a laser insert and a target will run you about $400 at www.firstshotcounts.com in Florida.) Without a target, you should go for something from Laser Ammo (about $150). Their laser bullet can be changed into a bore sight and you can use it for different calibers just by buying a cheap add-on ring.
 
Nothing better, no, but there's certainly safer when you're pulling the trigger with your gun pointed at something you're not willing to destroy (i.e. your house). Airsoft's great for that because it won't destroy your house or the person behind that wall that you thought wasn't there when you though your gun wasn't loaded. The firstshotcounts system actually looks pretty cool, but for a fourth of the price you can get a comparable trigger pull in something that recoils (not much, but it's there) and actually shoots something. Then you've got one side of force-on-force training possibilities (need friends with guns) and you've also got something you can use to kill mice and bats, get those damn crows out of your back yard, or annoy your friends. You can also practice mag changes, and the rest of your manual of arms BESIDES just pulling the trigger.
 
Beamhit does have a safety issue. Rumor has it that some have left the laser unit in the barrel when going live. The Laser Ammo thingy goes in the chamber and gets screwed into a security mechanism so you can't load a live round. Mag changes and the rest can also be done. But I gotta admit that Airsoft is a nice compromise over using something like Simuntion. Less embarrassing too - no tell tale welts!
 
I'm gonna have to call you on that. Even with accepted skirmish standards, a close in shot on bare skin will often penetrate. In private games with less demanding power rules, I've had them stick in me on a couple of occasions. Just because a lot of people on the gun boards see the airsoft guns as toys, a decent one is pushing a .20 gram piece of hard plastic to 400+ FPS; 600+ range for DMR and sniper mockups. If you think they won't welt you, put your eye out, or damage stuff around your house you are mistaken. They probably won't kill you, though a couple people have been killed by upgraded pieces, but you still need to give them a bit of respect. Particularly once you get out of the junk wal-mart gun range.
 
Okay, how much does one of those Caspian replicas cost (I think I'm going to regret asking this...)
 
I'm gonna have to call you on that. Even with accepted skirmish standards, a close in shot on bare skin will often penetrate. In private games with less demanding power rules, I've had them stick in me on a couple of occasions. Just because a lot of people on the gun boards see the airsoft guns as toys, a decent one is pushing a .20 gram piece of hard plastic to 400+ FPS; 600+ range for DMR and sniper mockups. If you think they won't welt you, put your eye out, or damage stuff around your house you are mistaken. They probably won't kill you, though a couple people have been killed by upgraded pieces, but you still need to give them a bit of respect. Particularly once you get out of the junk wal-mart gun range.
il_10,

Have people really been killed by airsoft weapons? I don't doubt you for a second, but I am interested in the circumstances. I heard from a friend in the IDF that some Hamas organization ordered AK47 airsoft guns. They were built so well that Hamas was able to convert them into something lethal. Total BS? Maybe ...
 
Saying "a couple of people" was probably hyperbole. There has been at least one documented case, however, in which an elderly woman was killed by a heavily upgraded (now defunct) Digicon airsoft gun. They were overly powerful stock and were marketed more as target guns to the japanese crowd rather than skirmish pieces. Currently Japan has a .98 joule power limit on airsoft guns, comparable to the 1 joule power limit in place in the UK, which brings them down to safe velocities even at point-blank ranges. I'm not sure whether this power limit was implemented before or after the woman was killed, but I want to say it was a reaction to her death. That was an exceedingly rare case in which the gun was pushed to past-pellet-rifle power at what I can only assume was close range and a fairly fragile victim, but it has happened at least once. I still hold that they are, within reasonable velocity ranges, far safer than simunitions or even paintball under normal conditions with normal safety precautions.

The Hamas conversion is, as far as I'm aware, total BS. As a general rule, airsoft guns have to be built to slightly different dimensions than their real counterparts to fit the gearboxes that drive them. There are aftermarket and stock metal receivers for them available, but even those have different specs than would be usable for an actual firearm. The only exception to that rule that comes to mind is the newer gas blowback m4 style rifles whose lower receivers were *almost* in exact spec; close enough to be feasibly converted with a bit of machine work. At the same time, the cost of one of these (very high end equipment, running in at least the 400+ range) offsets any practicality of even attempting a conversion since you're effectively paying $400 for just a lower receiver that still needs machine work. In a country in which the other parts are available, the lower receiver is probably going to be available as well, and it would be incredibly hard to justify paying $400+ for just an *almost* working lower receiver.

As far as I know, none of these guns have ever been converted; though, the BATFE did confiscate some of them because they had select fire parts in them and the potential was there. Past that, I've never heard of or come into contact with an airsoft gun that could be converted. Low-to-mid end metal parts are pot metal, and even high end you're dealing more with aluminum than steel. Add that to the high price compared to current marketed units or smuggled-in items, the differing dimensions, and the fact that if you know how to machine well enough to make a conversion work then you've got enough machining skill to build a gun from scratch anyway, and I simply don't buy it.
 
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chicharrones: 15 feet? from a gas blowback? Something's out of whack there. Do you know how to adjust the hopup, are you using quality ammo, and are you waiting for the mag to warm up after you fill it? Any of those can affect accuracy, but In almost ten years of playing I've never seen a quality airsoft gun perform that badly.

I never saw your reply until now. Oooops. :eek:

Anyway, my only airsoft guns were gifts and are probably not "quality" guns. From what I was told by the gift giver, he got them as a free bonus for buying other airsoft guns. I'm sure his were the quality items.

Out of the less than $100 CO2 BB guns, the most accurate I've shot is the Umarex made Makarov. The sights are small, but it will shoot as well as a CO2 pellet gun.
 
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