AK-47 or M16/AR15
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chevyforlife21
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ar is more accurate. ak is more reliable and powerfull. i would never be able to pay 1300 bucks for a ar15, so i like the ak better at around 400 bucks. now if i could afford an ar15 i would love one.
Ohio Gun Guy
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I'll go AR....but this is a close call. There are 100;s of reasons why either (or one over the other is better in certain situations)
My reason, ultimately accuracy.
My reason, ultimately accuracy.
Quoheleth
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Just to add some confusion to your confusion, you CAN get ARs for under $800 - Centerfire Systems has Doublestar in the $750 range. I bought one and really like it. AIM Surplus has Del-Tons for $650. Classic Arms has a Bushmaster for $850.
I can do the math; I know you can buy 2 AKs for the price of 1 Bushmaster. My point is that you can get a decent AR for $800 or less.
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I can do the math; I know you can buy 2 AKs for the price of 1 Bushmaster. My point is that you can get a decent AR for $800 or less.
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Maverick223
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Better for what...beating a goat, hammering tent pegs, squirrel hunting? I would use the AK for a good beat stick or hammer...and the AR for squirrel population control. 
an AR can shoot sub-moa out to 400 yards, can hold many optics, scopes, lasers, and your soda, has the best ergonomics of probably any rifle out there right now, can cause you to have collections come after you, is a good reason to buy a gun case that costs more than a gun, comes in pretty much every caliber (and can shoot most of them on the same lower), can be disassembled with a q-tip and three fingers, is a good reason to get into reloading, makes cleaning something to do when you have nothing to do for the whole day, and aggravates fanboys and chair commandos who don't have the money for one and bash it to no end about how fragile, unreliable, and weak it is.
an AK can shoot straight most of the time, can hit a capitalist scum out to 280 meters, can attach a decent red dot to it, can be had for the price of an Xbox360, won't jam unless you do something stupid (like clean it), takes a hammer and some blood and tears to disassemble it all the way, has the ergonomics of a weedwacker, doubles as a club/boat oar/tent spike/shovel, doesn't need to be babied because the varnishy paint flakes off every time you use the safety, is available in four main calibers (but you need a new gun for each one, which makes the AK a good reason to buy more guns to add to your collection - and all four of them combined cost less than one AR), can be made in your garage with a hammer, drill, hole-punch, and a swig of vodka every two minutes, and aggravates fanboys and elitist yacht owners who bash it to no end for being cheap, inaccurate, and not pretty or elegant.
...I choose both.
an AK can shoot straight most of the time, can hit a capitalist scum out to 280 meters, can attach a decent red dot to it, can be had for the price of an Xbox360, won't jam unless you do something stupid (like clean it), takes a hammer and some blood and tears to disassemble it all the way, has the ergonomics of a weedwacker, doubles as a club/boat oar/tent spike/shovel, doesn't need to be babied because the varnishy paint flakes off every time you use the safety, is available in four main calibers (but you need a new gun for each one, which makes the AK a good reason to buy more guns to add to your collection - and all four of them combined cost less than one AR), can be made in your garage with a hammer, drill, hole-punch, and a swig of vodka every two minutes, and aggravates fanboys and elitist yacht owners who bash it to no end for being cheap, inaccurate, and not pretty or elegant.
...I choose both.
Broken11b
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hmm, they each have their merits, I'd say that the AK is more reliable, but if you get a gas piston in the AR it becomes a mute point, I'd say the AK is less accurate, but if you get a longer barrel and a descent sight, it becomes a mute point. The AR is more3 modular, but you can get rails on the AK, making that a mute point. Ive carried both and used both at the range, in combat, and to kill those pesky tin cans that were talking behind my back, still no clear winner
the only thing i can thing of is ergonomics, the AR has a defined edge, unless you spend the money on kits offering better ergos for the AK,
so AR, no AK... no AR... darn, still cant choose, hmm Ill take the ARAK 15-47!
the only thing i can thing of is ergonomics, the AR has a defined edge, unless you spend the money on kits offering better ergos for the AK,
so AR, no AK... no AR... darn, still cant choose, hmm Ill take the ARAK 15-47!
The AK is more accurate than you think it is.
The AR is more reliable than you think it is.
I did an excrutiating amount of research. I handled and shot several examples of both the AK and the AR. I had the money to purchase very high quality versions of either (think Krebs or Arsenal and Colt or LMT).
After I made my choice, I wondered if I had chosen correctly. After running the gun and doing yet more research, I have come to the conclusion that I did.
I went with the AR-15. An LMT, priced at just over $1000, chambered in 5.56x45. I can now honestly say I have absolutely no regrets. I have absolute confidence in the reliability of a properly made AR-15. I have absolute confidence in the 5.56x45mm cartridge.
Most shooters, if they acquire one, eventually acquire the other. I've put enough rounds through borrowed AKs to realize I don't really have a burning desire for an AK variant at this time.
As pretaining to the original post, I have no desire and no use for a fully automatic variant of either. My time and money is better spent practicing carefully aimed fire.
The AR is more reliable than you think it is.
I did an excrutiating amount of research. I handled and shot several examples of both the AK and the AR. I had the money to purchase very high quality versions of either (think Krebs or Arsenal and Colt or LMT).
After I made my choice, I wondered if I had chosen correctly. After running the gun and doing yet more research, I have come to the conclusion that I did.
I went with the AR-15. An LMT, priced at just over $1000, chambered in 5.56x45. I can now honestly say I have absolutely no regrets. I have absolute confidence in the reliability of a properly made AR-15. I have absolute confidence in the 5.56x45mm cartridge.
Most shooters, if they acquire one, eventually acquire the other. I've put enough rounds through borrowed AKs to realize I don't really have a burning desire for an AK variant at this time.
As pretaining to the original post, I have no desire and no use for a fully automatic variant of either. My time and money is better spent practicing carefully aimed fire.
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Both are solid designs and will get the job done. A civilian will be well served by either and should probably choose whichever "fits" better. Or better yet get both. 
But the AR platform is far and away the choice of top end competitors, and the level of professionals that actually get to choose their weapon.
But the AR platform is far and away the choice of top end competitors, and the level of professionals that actually get to choose their weapon.Broken11b
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on a side note, i used to disdain the AK, but avenger29 was right, after a while i just wanted the other one, it grows on you. and they really work in the sand... except when youre using egyptian mags in a russian AK, that combo really wasnt that great.
But i have to disagree, the full auto AK can be really really fun. You wont hit anything with it, or near it, but its a fun waste of ammo
But i have to disagree, the full auto AK can be really really fun. You wont hit anything with it, or near it, but its a fun waste of ammo
tribbles
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And it's not even a full moon out.
Kitchen_Duty
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Well I personally would choose a 12 gauge... wait... what's this about?
It all depends. That's the great thing about the world: People have demand, manufacturers have supply.
It all depends. That's the great thing about the world: People have demand, manufacturers have supply.
MT GUNNY
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I voted AR! However to be on the safe side I own both .
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Ak because
You mention full auto and defense--AR's in Afganistan and Iraq have been giving troops problems by jamming under full auto while defending outposts. I would preder an ar-10 on semi-auto. One bullet, one kill.
You mention full auto and defense--AR's in Afganistan and Iraq have been giving troops problems by jamming under full auto while defending outposts. I would preder an ar-10 on semi-auto. One bullet, one kill.
JHansenAK47
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Since your options were AK47 Vs AR15/M16 I went with the M16. However if it was a Ak74 in 545 or maybe even an AK in 556 I would certainly be tempted. I would definitely consider a Polish WZ96 in 556 or a good ole russian AK 105. Although I would like to get my hands on a AK107 or AK108.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-107
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-107
dispatch55126
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This question is constantly asked. Both systems have proved reliable and effective. The difference in the rifles is ideology. The Russians were looking to mass produce a rifle that was cheap, easy to maintain and anyone could use it. The U.S. went with a marksman's rifle that was more expensive, maintenance was reasonable and someone properly trained to take targets out at a distance.
Both cartridges are more than capable of taking down anything to include moose with a proper shot placement. The basic AR takes the advantage by having a readily available domestic caliber, a more ergonomic layout, better controls and interchangeability. An AK either fired the 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 depending upon model. The AR can fire just about any caliber made by changing the upper.
Get both, make your own decision.
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kurra_hunter
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AK. Reliability. Accuracy is nice but doesn't amount to much if the gun breaks a little part or gets clogged with mud and dirt or water. If I was looking for a really accurate rifle I wouldn't choose an AK or an AR or any semi-auto rifle.
The reliability and simplicity of construction of the AK to fire the rounds in all types of conditions is what makes the difference vis-a-vis the AR in my opinion.
The reliability and simplicity of construction of the AK to fire the rounds in all types of conditions is what makes the difference vis-a-vis the AR in my opinion.
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