AK bullpup???

[Domino]

Classic arms has these listed...

http://www.classicarms.us/

Anybody know what these are? Are the Chinese, Romanian kit builds, or something else? The price seems lower than others I have seen.

 

[Ash]

Some foreign, probably European, parts assembled on a US receiver and an AKSU bullpup set. The set used to be sold several places, including Federal Arms Corp. General consensus is that they aren't all that great. The front sight is especially suspect (considering it is just a very tall post attached to the original front sight.)

Ash

 

[nalioth]

If you like having a bicycle gear shift wire to actuate the trigger, and absolutely NO ergonomics, they're great.

Oh, and you'd better hope nothing bad happens while you're shooting it, cuz your head is right next to the chamber.

 

[ssr]

I've seen and handled one of those, not shot them. It is a cool sounding idea, but the end product is not as cool as it seems. The trigger was unbelievably bad, due to all the bullpup mechanics. The foregrip right in front of the AK mag that needs rocking in was also not too great. Cool idea, just doesn't really work from what I saw.

 

[cwmcgu2]

Eh..... why?
I mean bullpups are cool and all but I'm wary of the converted bullpups as compared to ground up designed ones like the FS2000. Every conversion kit I've seen for either the AK or the Ruger 10/22 relies on a super high front sight that I could see being prone to break off as the length of the piece would provide increased leverage force easing a break if dropped on the sight. On top of that your trigger group is now connected by a long piece of metal running over half the length of the stock, seems rather flimsy to me. Now the AK isn't Gods gift to ergonomics, but I don't think any of the bullpup kits I've seen are a great improvement.

 

[nwilliams]

No thanks

J&G got some of these in not too long ago and I had to hold one just to see how it felt. Besides the fact they are ugly as sin, the ergonomics just felt way off and the balance didn't feel right even for a bullpup, although I'm not one for bullpup conversions to begin with so maybe its just me.

 

[MD_Willington]

It's a romi with a new set of clothes IIRC... get the plain one or the yugo...

 

[Wisc Deer Hunter]

Just something customed made here read this....

Produced by North China Industries ( NORINCO) and imported by China Sports ( Their Import/Marketing arm in the USA ), the Type 86S Bullpup operates the same way as other AK/AKM type rifles with a few exceptions. Many major parts interchange with the standard Kalashnikov rifle, either the AK or the AKM. It is believed that less than 2000 Type 86S Bullpup AKs were imported into the USA during the late 80's before being banned from further importation.

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/akbp86.html

 

[cwmcgu2]

Ya the actual Norinco AK bullpups will bring a pretty penny from collectors. If its reasonably price then you can bet that it is a recent conversion and not won of the old Norinco imports.

 

[Full Clip]

I like AKs, but AK bullpups are particularly hideous rifles, like some Frenkenstein creation.

 

[JWarren]

Like said earlier, AK's are not the MOST egonomic rifle you will ever own-- and this from an AK fan.

It's like the guys that came up with Bullpup kits were all drunk and wanted to see if it were possible to create an AK with WORSE ergonomics while eliminating the legendary reliability of the rifle at the same time.

They succeeded, in my opinion.


-- John

 

[Ash]

The receivers are dimpled, so they cannot be imported. I'll bet they are US made receivers with Romanian parts.

Ash

 

[nalioth]

The receivers are dimpled, so they cannot be imported.

"Dimples" aren't on the list of evil 'non sporting' features that prohibit importation.

 

[Ash]

But high-capacity magazines are. And as such, the AK's are being imported as 10 round only rifles. That is why the current batch of WASR's have the flat receivers with blocks inside them to correctly position the double-stack magazines. They are imported as 10 round single-stack rifles and are then cut over here for 30 round configurations and enough US parts are added for them to be 922r compliant. That is the reason why the WASR's don't have the front pistol grips (they are actually cut off the forend) because the pistol grip is a US part, and having the wooden grip attached would negate that.

Therefore, those receivers currently on the market with the dimples are US manufactured (except for the PSL receivers, but there are no hi-cap magazines made for that rifle, so there is no issue).

Ash

 

[nalioth]

That is the reason why the WASR's don't have the front pistol grips (they are actually cut off the forend) because the pistol grip is a US part, and having the wooden grip attached would negate that.

The front pistol grip is not considered a pistol grip at all. It is considered part of the forearm.

The WASR lower handguards are made just the way they are imported, they're not cut up military pistol grip foreends.

Arsenal USA does the same thing Century does (imports low-caps and converts them). Why do their receivers have dimples?

 

[EdLaver]

Apart from all the other cons about this "bullpup" another is that it has nothing on the market (rails, rail add-ons) to mount any red-dots to make up for the crappy sights.

 

[Ash]

Well, then let's put it this way...these are bull-pup rifles made on American receivers. Regardless of nit-picking, and regardless of the fact that only the Arsenal-made AK's have high-capacity receivers and these are not made by Arsenal as Arsenal makes no bull-pup rifles, and regardless of the fact that no other manufacturer uses imported stamped and dimpled receivers, and regardless of the fact that these come from Century and ALL of the Century AK's built on purpose-made high-capacity receivers are built on US made receivers, a simple call to Classic Arms confirmed that these do indeed have US receivers.

So, apart from the obvious mistake of lumping all high-cap receivers together (counter-balanced by the assumption that everyone would know that these are not Arsenal-made bull-pup rifles), in this case, these rifles are, indeed, built on US made receivers.

Ash

 

[Ash]

By the way, I would not take a chance that the fore end was not a pistol grip. Given that Pistol Grip is listed in the list of foreign parts and given that the ATF routinely changes its mind on just what a pistol grip, and since the forend-pistol grip is just that, a pistol grip, I would be wary of using the rear pistol grip without a US made front pistol grip. That is just personal opinion, of course.

Ash

 

[peacemaker45]

umm, ick?

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

If you encounter tall grass or run out of ammo with that creature, it looks like you could use it as a scythe with that front sight post.

 

[ROMAK IV]

I handled one and the trigger was worse than bad, there was actually a delay between the time the trigger was pulled and the hammer dropped. This is potentially dangerous, just t restate the obvious. No thanks! Perhaps I'll make my own some day.

 

[OpFlash]

I know this is an old thread, but just in case someone finds it via a search like I did I'm going to add some first hand knowledge. I recently bought one of the Century bullpup AKs after handling it at a gun show and I like it. I like the feel of it better than a typical AK, although I had to round off the forward exterior of the trigger guard so it wouldn't dig into my support hand. The trigger won't win any awards but isn't nearly as bad as I expected before I actually shot it. Not much worse than most typical low cost AKs, and there is absolutely no "delay" as was mentioned above. The one gripe I do have is that the monkeys at CAI pinned the front sight tower on crooked so I have to get that fixed.

It takes a little practice to do smooth mag changes because it's in very close proximity to the pistol grip, but what I learned is that there is a groove cut in the bottom of the pistol grip that you can use to line up the mag perfectly with the magwell and it works great once you get used to it. The bullpup configuration places the safety in a rather awkward place, but I'll take that tradeoff for the advantages of the bullpup design. I was afraid it was going to be clunky and cheap feeling with all the polymer pieces but it feels rock solid, and I am quite happy with the way it looks, feels, and shoots. In fact I am thinking of getting more of them.

Mine was built on a WASR and I paid $499.

What would make it even better would be to replace the ridiculously high open sights with a picatinny rail of some sort. I'm looking into options for this.

 

[MudPuppy]

There's a few posts on some of the AK build sites concerning bullpup aks. This one specifically has instructions on how to upgrade the current/included connector.

I'd think a 5.45 or 5.56 would be a better candidate due to the curve of the magazines.

I guess its a valid point about the chamber being so close to your head/face, just like its a concern with all the FAMAS, AUG, L85s, FN2000s, TAR-21s, Valmet M82s, and especially the OICW. Makes you wonder how many millions of accidental deaths and injuries take place every day due to all those bullpups in service!

Dig a little deeper if you do want an AK bullpup, theres a lot of good information to be had to go along with all the plentiful speculation.

 

[nwilliams]

Never in a million years

J&G has had these for a while now, when they got them in I looked at one just see how it felt. I figured if it would feel as horrible as it looks and I was right.

 

[nwilliams]

Never in a million years

J&G has had these for a while now, when they got them in I looked at one just see how it felt. I figured it would feel as horrible as it looks and I was right.