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yotesmoker

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Looking to get another ak pistol {I stupidly sold my draco last year}.Looking at a nodak spud and a zastava pap m92.What ever I get,I am going to SBR it like I did with the draco.What can you tell me about the quality of those two choices?
 
No Dak Spud makes receivers, so if there are no other manufacturer's marking on the pistol in question, then you're probably looking at a kit build. Kit builds can be good-to-go, or a complete disaster. It all depends on whether or not it was built right.

Honestly, as pistols I find them to be pretty much useless, that is, unless spraying rounds downrange with little regard for accuracy is the name of the game. I fired mine once while I was waiting for ATF approval of my SBR conversion. I just needed to make sure it functioned. Very awkward to shoot in pistol form, to say the least. Lots of people will tell you to buy a sling adapter and use a sling to push the pistol out to create more stability (such as the technique used for the stockless MP5K). If you are able to SBR it, I say save the cash and file your Form 1!

I SBR'd an M92 this year. I always wanted a Krink, but I prefer the availability and stateside commonality of 7,62x39 over the 5,45 round. The M92 is longer than your run-of-the-mill Krinkov, but the 10" barrel does really well with the 7.62 round. The velocity loss isn't enough to pose any problems, unlike what you run into with 5.56 Nato SBRs.

The Serbian M92 PAPs are nice guns, but I did find that mine needed some massaging to smooth everything out...

  • Rough lower hand guard metal was sticking in the receiver. Hand guard came out, but the metal tab did not. Filed down the offending edges...problem solved
  • Lower hand guard lever was impossible to open and close. Smoothed out the groove on the barrel with a file and sanded down the front end of the handguard for a better/easier fit.
  • Gas tube plunger required a hammer and punch to disengage. I took some material off of the angled cut on the gas tube and re-blued it. Problem solved
  • Hammer spring was awkwardly bent and was sliding off the trigger legs. This was an annoying process of re-bending and re-installing until I got it to sit properly.

That said, they are factory assembled AKs with foreign cold hammer forged barrels. The barrel isn't chrome lined, so it isn't a gun you want to neglect and abuse when it comes to the bore. The gun is as accurate as my MP5 at 50 yards, which is impressive to me.

All said and done, with the stock and tax stamp, I'm at around $1k, which to me is a bargain for an SBR of this quality. I did the drilling and tapping of the rear trunion myself, which isn't too hard if you have a decent workbench, drill, center punch, and drill & tap set.

Hope that helps!

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pap m92

I also bought the Yugo Pap m92, but bought it with the sb47 brace. I never had a draco to compare it with, but I'm very happy with the reliability and accuracy of mine.
 
I don't have any personal experience, but many people I talk to and trust opinions from prefer the PAP over any other AK pistols... and normally it is cheaper.

I have seen some go for around $450-500, but I'm just a guy on the internet, so what do I know?
 
Friend had a brand new pap, he was disappointed that he had to drift the front sight way left to get it sighted in at 25y, I had a m92 carbine and had the same problem, but not sure if all are like this. Jeep creeper Don't know who the people you talk to and told you they prefer the pap over other ak pistols, they probably owned every single ak pistols currently on the market to justify their decision. I'm original owner of the mini draco since 2011, hardly ever cleaned lord knows how many rounds I put through this pistol. Bump firing this thing is awesome. and I can tell you for a fact had not one malfunction since I purchased it. She may not be pretty but it flat out works
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Friend had a brand new pap, he was disappointed that he had to drift the front sight way left to get it sighted in at 25y, I had a m92 carbine and had the same problem, but not sure if all are like this. Jeep creeper Don't know who the people you talk to and told you they prefer the pap over other ak pistols, they probably owned every single ak pistols currently on the market to justify their decision. I'm original owner of the mini draco since 2011, hardly ever cleaned lord knows how many rounds I put through this pistol. Bump firing this thing is awesome. and I can tell you for a fact had not one malfunction since I purchased it. She may not be pretty but it flat out works
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I am sorry that your friend did not have good luck with the PAP and I am sorry if my opinion and the opinion of my friends' offended your most excellent taste in firearms. Your mini draco, which you've owned for 3 years, is absolutely gorgeous. I envy you as I cannot fit an arm brace onto my arms as my biceps and forearms have too large a circumference from all the powerlifting and bodybuilding I do in my spare time.

To respond to your comment about my sources owning "every single AK pistol on the market" (paraphrasing of course), I will tell you "YES"!!! They have in fact puchased, owned, built, designed, stolen, thrown, loved, and eaten every single one. Not only that, they had a meeting with Mikhail Kalashnikov about the PAP pistol, Jesus Christ came down from upon high in a vision speaking of the PAP pistol, and the lady in the water who gave King Arthur his Excalibur also donated the legendary PAP to my source.

But like I said, I am just a guy on the internet....
 
Yotesmoker, always wanted the regular draco hopefully the will introduce them again as did the minidraco.
 
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