AK variant or Saga
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RatherNotSay
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As long as you have at least 5 U.S made products on the weapon you are ok. For all your ak 47 modifications visit the list of sites below.
http://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/ak47
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=66
http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php
The threading on the arsenal sgl-21 is a 24x1.5 twist as opposed to the more common 14x1. Search k-var for appropriate flash hiders/compensator. Hands down the best compensator is the bulgarian type 74 style. The arsenal comes with the type 74 style however it is a fake. It does not have the chamber inside.
http://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/ak47
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=66
http://www.k-var.com/shop/home.php
The threading on the arsenal sgl-21 is a 24x1.5 twist as opposed to the more common 14x1. Search k-var for appropriate flash hiders/compensator. Hands down the best compensator is the bulgarian type 74 style. The arsenal comes with the type 74 style however it is a fake. It does not have the chamber inside.
RatherNotSay
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http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=16902&cat=286&page=1
They are usually out of stock but pop up every now and then. You might find them on military surplus sites.
They are usually out of stock but pop up every now and then. You might find them on military surplus sites.
JustinJ
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Define "real type 74". The Arsenal AK74s are pretty much identical to standard Russian and Bulgarian issue minus the selector switch.
Mike1234567
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922r Compliance: It's NOT how many USA-made parts are on or even in the gun. It's all about REPLACING enough foreign parts with USA parts so you can add evil doo-hickeys, such as a pistol grip, and use higher capacity magazines... assuming your state/local laws even allow them. There's TONS of info regarding 922r on the Saiga-12 forum. 
RatherNotSay
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922r Compliance: It's NOT how many USA-made parts are on or even in the gun. It's all about REPLACING enough foreign parts with USA parts so you can add evil doo-hickeys, such as a pistol grip, and use higher capacity magazines... assuming your state/local laws even allow them. There's TONS of info regarding 922r on the Saiga-12 forum.
I had to read that twice just to make sure it wasn't me not making sense.
Replacing = gun + 5 U.S.A
Mike1234567
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^^^ Sorry if my post was unclear.
OP... Research 922r before you add a pistol grip or use a high capacity magazine to/with a Saiga. You don't have to do the complete conversion but you do need to REDUCE the foreign-made parts count by replacing them with USA-made parts. After that you can add whatever USA-made doo-hickeys you like.
OP... Research 922r before you add a pistol grip or use a high capacity magazine to/with a Saiga. You don't have to do the complete conversion but you do need to REDUCE the foreign-made parts count by replacing them with USA-made parts. After that you can add whatever USA-made doo-hickeys you like.
mortablunt
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The Saiga is the "sporting rifle" version of the AK. It's friendlier with the misguided states. Both have strong aftermarket support and I believe that the Saiga does edge out in accuracy. However, I don't think you can use your AK magazines in it.
Sam1911
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Not as delievered, with most versions. See posts 6 and 10.
Mike1234567
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There's "at least" one conversion kit to use AK mags in a 7.62x39 Saiga.
RatherNotSay
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A saiga in it's original form will not accept standard ak rounds. With a conversion kit it will happily accept ak mags. However, a pre-converted saiga like my arsenal sgl21 accepts ak magazines just fine....
RatherNotSay
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I answered that in post #29
badbadtz560
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http://www.classicarms.us/semi-auto rifles.htm
If you're cheap, classicarms has a lesser conversion. Uses regular ak mags and is still 922r compliant. It's a pre-converted 7.62 saiga for $450ish + shipping.
If you're cheap, classicarms has a lesser conversion. Uses regular ak mags and is still 922r compliant. It's a pre-converted 7.62 saiga for $450ish + shipping.
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I'm very interested in the Saiga IZ-132. $350+/- is a nice price for a rifle like that.
Sam1911
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Damifino... you said you were going to buy one, so I figured YOU knew what it was.
Here's Arsenal's page on that gun, so you know what you're buying: http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/home.php?cat=8
EDIT: Ok, I think I misunderstood your question... SGL-21 isn't the specific model number? Weird. See below, I think I found it for you...
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Sam1911
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Atlantic lists this one: SLR-107F 21-762x39
Sounds pretty close to what you're asking about. $879 (Don't know what the "21" stands for.)
Send them an email at [email protected] to find out if they have them in stock.
Or you could send them a PM HERE at THR.
Sounds pretty close to what you're asking about. $879 (Don't know what the "21" stands for.)
Send them an email at [email protected] to find out if they have them in stock.
Or you could send them a PM HERE at THR.
The easiest thing to do is look at Arsenal's own website: Arsenalinc.com
The most common models you see are the SGL series, which are the Saiga conversions. The numbers after the SGL, such as SGL21 or SGL31 denote the caliber. 21 denotes 7.62x39 and 31 denotes 5.45x39. The numbers that come after the dash in the model number (SGL21-61) denote the stock set used. There are Warsaw length and Nato length buttstocks, as well as different colors such as black, plum, O.D. green, and desert tan.
The other models they offer are the SLR series, which use Bulgarian made stamped receivers and the SA series, which as far as I know all use U.S made milled receivers (and cost a good bit more).
I believe you are looking for a SGL21-94, which is the standard Saiga conversion in 7.62x39 with the side folding stock.
The most common models you see are the SGL series, which are the Saiga conversions. The numbers after the SGL, such as SGL21 or SGL31 denote the caliber. 21 denotes 7.62x39 and 31 denotes 5.45x39. The numbers that come after the dash in the model number (SGL21-61) denote the stock set used. There are Warsaw length and Nato length buttstocks, as well as different colors such as black, plum, O.D. green, and desert tan.
The other models they offer are the SLR series, which use Bulgarian made stamped receivers and the SA series, which as far as I know all use U.S made milled receivers (and cost a good bit more).
I believe you are looking for a SGL21-94, which is the standard Saiga conversion in 7.62x39 with the side folding stock.
Sam1911
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Ahhhh, I see the difference. Well, I'll put in one more plug that you could at least try Atlantic. They sell a bunch of AKs, and lots of Arsenal stuff. If anyone can get one, I'll bet they can. Sure can't hurt to ask.
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