But, but the americans made it how can this be. Only a greedy company run like goldman and sachs could take a $350 dollar rifle triple it in price and create that thing
Arsenal AK = Massive Fail (pics included)
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Well, there is no way that the optic rail was aligned with the barrel if the trunion was in crooked.
If they put the trunion in straight this time, then there is a chance that it will align with the rail, elevation-wise. As I said before, windage isn't something you can adjust in the rail as it just sits flat against the receiver wall. You haven't lost anything, and it may align well. (I don't believe very many AKs were built with a whole lot of care to setting the rail perfectly from the factory. Usually, (IMHO), they were good enough, and then the scope was adjusted to compensate.)
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Now, the issue I'd be concerned with is HOW they fix it.
When building a AK sometimes the receiver shell is drilled out before hand for the rivet holes that hold in the trunion. A more precise way sometimes used is that they are left blank and marked and drilled by measuring the trunion itself carefully and/or using it as a guide, so the trunion is straight in the receiver shell when the rivets are placed and set.
If the rivet holes were drilled out of place in the receiver shell such that the rivets held the trunion in crooked, how do they plan to fix that?
The very best way to do that, and save the receiver shell, is to weld the holes back up, grind the welds flat and redrill new holes.
The worst way is to try and clamp the trunion in as straight as possible into the shell, then pound the new rivets in the old holes, and set them hoping they'll squish into the misplaced shell holes and hold the whole thing straight during assembly and maybe even when the gun recoils.
Alternately, if the holes in the trunion are misplaced, are they going to adjust the holes in the receiver to match them so that the trunion sits straight? Or toss the bad trunion and install a new one?
Probably the best bet is to dump the receiver shell and build the gun again on a new one.
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Thanks Sam, from what I've seen from this gun and read, it looks like at the very least the gun would have to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'd rather just replace it. To that end, Atlantic said they would call me this afternoon and from the voicemail it sounds like they may just send a replacement out rather than wait on any warranty work to be done (which would be awesome). When I know more I will post it here.
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Update: Blaine at Atlantic Arms called me today (not once but twice since I missed his first call) and assured me that once UPS confirms the rifle on the way back to the distributor, they will ship me a brand new one, that they will inspect prior to shipping. The customer service at Atlantic is top notch. I am very impressed and if everything goes as smoothly as promised, I will be doing much repeat business with them in the future.
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Dealt with Atlantic Firearms before, first rate.
That won't happen since that barrel isn't screwed into the receiver. It is pressed into the trunion, like most AKs, and can't effectively be "replaced" without too much work. They might pull the barrel and then replace it to recover the loss, but the gun's a loss otherwise.
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Good info, thanks Sam. Kind of confirms my suspicions that this rifle cannot be "repaired" only "rebuilt" from the ground up. Essentially it's a pile of parts at this point.
Yes and it is arsenals fault with their overpriced guns. It is not Atlantics fault but it makes them look bad. The OP is lucky Atlantic guys are decent. Why is the OP dealing with Atlantic and not the famed master gun builder perfectionists at arsenal?
Exactly. Arsenal would sell a barrel for 500
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Well I'm sorry to hear that I hope they fix the problem
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I'm not seeing it from the pics.
I would have taken the rifle to the range and confirmed before initiating the return process.
I would have taken the rifle to the range and confirmed before initiating the return process.
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@W.E.G. If I had transferred the rifle, it would have become a warranty issue and cut Atlantic Arms options. Since I didn't transfer it, they (Atlantic) are sending me a new one, not KVAR/Arsenal. Also I don't need to fire a rifle to look at it and see the barrel is bent.
@Trent by "massive" I mean this is not a part you can simply swap out, nor is this something that should have been overlooked. If the barrel is bent or the trunion misaligned, the entire rifle is scrap metal save a few parts and the defect is clearly visible.
If it is hard to see the defect from the pics, try this. Look at the ruler, that is a straight line, then look at the barrel, trace it with your finger...look straight? (being kind of sarcastic but you get the point, I realize pics can sometimes be deceiving).
I also heard from Atlantic today, they are shipping a new rifle on Monday. Atlantic's general manager contacted me and gave me his direct phone number (nice of him). I have also been assured they will inspect the rifle before sending it on, which is a bonus.
So far Atlantic Firearms has had top notch customer service, I have been very impressed.
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Final update and happy ending. Atlantic Arms shipped a new rifle on Monday once they were able to confirm KVAR had the other rifle back in their possession. Anyhow, I picked up the replacement from my FFL today. Excellent customer service but still somewhat dismayed that Arsenal let such a mistake fly. Either way, all is well that ends well. I have not yet shot the new one but just checking it over it is a very, very nice AK.
If I ever get into militaryish rifles that is what I'm going to get. While I would not accept 5,45 or 5,56 the 7,62x39 with folding stock for just north of $1100 makes a lot of sense. Not a lot of money when one considers what a "Gypsy" one with fixed wooden stock costs.
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If you're looking for an inexpensive (relatively speaking) fixed stock AK, I should mention that the gunshop guys showed me a CAI, 100% US made AK with a milled receiver. Despite not having a chrome lined chamber or barrel, the action and trigger on the gun were excellent. Very, very smooth with no grit whatsoever. (The trigger was nice for an AK). You might consider one for the price if you don't require chrome lining.
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tnxdshooter
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I've never seen any ak with a chrome lined receiver or gas tube. I've seen them with hard chromed gas pistons, and chrome lined barrels.
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A few years ago Arsenal, Inc./KVAR repaired a brand new, but slightly defective, AK for me. The repair work was PERFECT! (It, also, took almost 4 months for them to finally return the rifle to me; but, it went out to Las Vegas, and was returned to me, 'on their nickel'.)
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