bamawrx
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The ILA alert does not mention shotguns. Does the bill address both weapon types?
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Alabama House Bill 2
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dirt_j00
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Yes. This bill repeals Section 13A-11-63 of the Code of Alabama. This is the law that prohibits the possession, creation, (etc. etc.) of both short-barreled shotgun and rifles.
EDIT: I also noticed how that alert failed to mention shotguns. I don't know if that was purposeful or not. Maybe they want to sweep the part about "sawed-off" shotguns under the rug.
Regardless, I hope this passes and is signed by the governor. It is a shame that Alabama citizens do not have access to these firearms.
EDIT: I also noticed how that alert failed to mention shotguns. I don't know if that was purposeful or not. Maybe they want to sweep the part about "sawed-off" shotguns under the rug.
Regardless, I hope this passes and is signed by the governor. It is a shame that Alabama citizens do not have access to these firearms.
smince
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dirt_j00
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Yes exactly! Good work! So then it does look very promising that the House will be voting on it Tues. -- assuming they approve this special order calendar and make it through the calendar to HB2.
HorseSoldier
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Of course they wait until after I've moved out of the state to look at fixing the SBR law . . .
smince
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smince
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AFAIK, it won't be in the Senate until/unless the House passes it tomorrow.
Bhamrichard
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I admit I'm fairly ignorant here about long guns so please don't jump my case too badly
What firearms does this effect anyway? All that comes to mind to me is a sawed-off shotgun or something similar.
smince
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Federal Law allows machine guns, suppressors ('silencers'), short-barrel rifles and shotguns (sawed-off's) with the proper NFA registration and the payment of a $200 tax fee.
Alabama allows MG's and suppressors, but for whatever reason prohibits short-barreled rifles and shotguns. Shoulder-stocked pistols also fall under the SBR designation, as do some collectible Winchester lever guns that have 12-14" barrels. Under the wording of the law, even collectors can't own certain guns that would almost never be used in any criminal activity.
§ 13A-11-62. Definitions.
(4) SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE. A rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches
in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or
otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(5) SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUN. A shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18
inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise) if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than
26 inches.
(Acts 1982, No. 82-430, §1.)
The new Bill will nullify:
§ 13A-11-63. Possession, sale, etc., of short-barreled rifle or shortbarreled
shotgun; applicability of section.
(a) A person who possesses, obtains, receives, sells, or uses a short-barreled rifle or a
short-barreled shotgun is guilty of a Class C felony.
(b) This section does not apply to a peace officer who possesses, obtains, receives, sells,
or uses a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun in the course of or in connection
with his official duties.
(Acts 1982, No. 82-430, §2.)
Alabama allows MG's and suppressors, but for whatever reason prohibits short-barreled rifles and shotguns. Shoulder-stocked pistols also fall under the SBR designation, as do some collectible Winchester lever guns that have 12-14" barrels. Under the wording of the law, even collectors can't own certain guns that would almost never be used in any criminal activity.
§ 13A-11-62. Definitions.
(4) SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE. A rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches
in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or
otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(5) SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUN. A shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18
inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise) if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than
26 inches.
(Acts 1982, No. 82-430, §1.)
The new Bill will nullify:
§ 13A-11-63. Possession, sale, etc., of short-barreled rifle or shortbarreled
shotgun; applicability of section.
(a) A person who possesses, obtains, receives, sells, or uses a short-barreled rifle or a
short-barreled shotgun is guilty of a Class C felony.
(b) This section does not apply to a peace officer who possesses, obtains, receives, sells,
or uses a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun in the course of or in connection
with his official duties.
(Acts 1982, No. 82-430, §2.)
bamawrx
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I just got my rep on board today as long as the bill does what I said it does with no funny business. He is also very tight with another local rep, and they tend to vote together so I may have won a twofer. His concern was what the police attitude would be, and I mentioned the CLEO signoff as evidence they should have no problem.
Frankly, this is almost a non-issue, but the principal of the thing is what gets me. It will be a win for all gun owners to fix a problem with our gun laws.
Frankly, this is almost a non-issue, but the principal of the thing is what gets me. It will be a win for all gun owners to fix a problem with our gun laws.
dirt_j00
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BTR - As of last Thurs., no senator had submitted a companion bill.
If a companion bill (i.e. identical bill) were to be submitted in the Senate, and both bodies passed their respective bills, then these bills would be "merged" and sent to the Governor for his signature. (They would not have to go through the other bodies for passage.)
smince
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I sent copies of the original letter that got this started to both my Senator (Lowell Barron) and my Rep (Todd Greeson) last year.
Todd ran with it, but I never heard anything back from Sen. Barron.
Todd ran with it, but I never heard anything back from Sen. Barron.
dirt_j00
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Sen. Barron establishes the special order calendars for the Senate and is essentially in charge of what comes up for debate there. Getting him on board would be a huge boost for this bill. (But I don't see that happening.)
HardShell
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FWIW, it was metioned on another forum that Randy Hillman (executive director of the AL DA's Association) sent an e-mail out to LEOs across the state urging them to oppose this bill...
Please note that I did not receive this e-mail myself and am just passing the info along second-hand -- however, I do know the LEO who shared this e-mail publicly and have zero reason to doubt his/its veracity.
Please note that I did not receive this e-mail myself and am just passing the info along second-hand -- however, I do know the LEO who shared this e-mail publicly and have zero reason to doubt his/its veracity.
dirt_j00
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I was personally in the House Judiciary Committee meeting when Randy Hillman stood up and voiced the ADA's opposition to this bill. His argument then was virtually the same as referenced in this letter.
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smince
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He does get the whole NFA/registration thing, right? I mean he knows these things won't be for sale at Wal*Mart?
I can relate, though. I helped get this ball rolling and my Sheriff won't sign-off. I'll have to do a Trust if it goes through (not that that is a bad thing).
I can relate, though. I helped get this ball rolling and my Sheriff won't sign-off. I'll have to do a Trust if it goes through (not that that is a bad thing).
dirt_j00
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Yes, he does (or at least he seems to). At that hearing, he said the feds are too difficult to work with to prosecute folks.
smince
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I found this:
*Randy Hillman*
Executive Director
Alabama District Attorneys Association
515 South Perry Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36104
[email protected]
and sent him an email, but got this back:
*Randy Hillman*
Executive Director
Alabama District Attorneys Association
515 South Perry Street
Montgomery, Alabama 36104
[email protected]
and sent him an email, but got this back:
dirt_j00
Member
Being debated right now. Listen here: http://www.legislature.state.al.us/audio/houseaudio.html
dirt_j00
Member
This is sad. They are using the Taurus Judge to say this is needed.
DeepSouth
Random Guy
dirt_j00
Can you tell me who that nut is that is speaking
The idiot talking about snake hunting
Can you tell me who that nut is that is speaking
The idiot talking about snake hunting
dirt_j00
Member
Which one?? not kidding
DeepSouth
Random Guy
The woman that was just speaking
That is just a circus
That is just a circus
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