Alabama House Bill 2

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I have never been this ashamed of my state in my life, those people are showing complete ignorance.

Who are electing these idiots?




I leave work shortly -- someone please keep listening and let me know how it turns out.
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I will do you that favor.
 
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Ok, they voted right at 5. Instead of repealing the bill, they added an additional provision that exempts " federal license holders" from the state law. I have not seen the text of this substituted bill, but once I do I will post and comment. BUT THE BILL PASSED. Hopefully they were reffering to the federal tax stamp and not Class III dealers.

That was a tough fight guys!
 
Does this still have to go to the senate? Thankfully it passed as Dirt said.

On the ignorant idiots, WOOOOWWWWW! I cannot believe some of these people actually got elected. The only voters that turned out for their election had to be their families. I loved it when the "Chief" (?) asked if the Rep had ever killed anyone. That whole line of questioning was hilarious and sad at the same time. I now know why Alabama is as poor as we are. I am thinking about moving to Georgia!
 
You guys got to hear .gov at work. Don't think Alabama is the only place things like this happen ;)

In my original letter to my Rep. I said that 'wording can be added to keep illegal possession a felony and still allow those who pass the NFA check to own these firearms' but evidently that got lost in the shuffle somewhere.:rolleyes:

They didn't seem to have a problem with MG/suppressor ownership because they aren't specifically named in Al law:rolleyes:
 
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Well guys, I don't know what to think of this. Here is the result of today efforts:

"(c) This section shall not apply to any individual who possesses a federal firearms license for a weapon as described in subsection (a).
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Does this mean only FFLs can own these? Would that mean C&R licensees? Does a tax stamp qualify as a license?

This is typical Alabama politics. :banghead:

Can someone page some of the resident THR legal eagles to this thread?

I suppose we could try to get the Senate to amend this bill, but then it would have to go back through the House. If we can determine what they mean by "federal firearms license" then, this may not be as bad as it seems.
 
All I know is during the broadcast, I heard someone in the back ground say that "So-and-so has one of the licenses that you need to get this type of weapon" and whoever was speaking at the time said he would like to see it.

I missed what happened next and when I came back they were talking about cruise ship gambling...

http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=11884709
House votes to make short-barreled weapons legal

Associated Press - January 26, 2010 6:54 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - The Alabama House has passed a bill that would make it legal to own a short-barreled shotgun or rifle if you get a federal permit for the weapon.

The House voted 83-7 Tuesday for the bill by Republican Rep. Jeremy Oden of Cullman. Opponents included several former law enforcement officers who argued the bill would endanger the lives of police officers.

Oden argued that the weapons are used by farmers to kill rodents and other pests because they are easy to carry.

The bill was amended to require a federal license to own a short-barreled rifle or shotgun. Oden said he would try to get the amendment removed in the Senate or rewrite the bill and bring it back up in the House.
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The House folks screwed up the language, they know it, and they are already in contact with the supporters in the Senate to make sure the Senate version is worded correctly. The final conference version should be what we want/need it to be, assuming we can get it through the Senate at all -- still to be seen, and still several issues that could derail the rest of the session in the Senate, so keep up the calls and letters and pray hard if you're the prayin' sort. ;)
 
Do you know what language they are going to propose in the Senate?

I assume it will either change "federal firearm license" to "federal tax stamp"
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they will propose to revert back to the original bill that just strikes that entire section from the code.
 
When someone finds out the Senate Bill, please let us know so I can name it when I write my Senator. Thanks.

Based on what you all said I am glad I didn't listen.
 
BTR - It will still be called HB2. When a bill is introduced first in the House, it gets the "HB (house bill)" name. Even when the House passes it, and it moves on to the Senate it retains the same name (in this case: HB2).

So in short, just reference House Bill 2 in your correspondence.
 
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Do you know what language they are going to propose in the Senate?

I assume it will either change "federal firearm license" to "federal tax stamp"
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they will propose to revert back to the original bill that just strikes that entire section from the code.
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Rep. Jeremy Oden (Cullman) said he would try to get the amendment removed in the Senate or rewrite the bill and bring it back up in the House. I haven't seen a specific reference to the "fixed" language yet.
 
Ok thanks. I would like to see the entire section removed from the code (like the original bill did), but an additional code section that specifically allows those who jump the federal hoops would be an "acceptable" solution, provided it is worded correctly. At least that would allow us access to these guns.
 
I expect the addition of the exception for people "with a federal tax stamp" would make it easier to pass the senate, while having no negative effects at all... would remind the senators that these guns would not just be unregulated. It's a start.
 
Where do you go on the internet to find out who voted for and against it? We need to send thank you letters to the reps that supported it, and encourage them to talk to their conterparts in the senate. I noticed the ADAA (Randy Hillman?) comment was referencing last year, and I think DA's are elected, so if someone knows for sure he is adding their two cents then maybe we will need to call all our local DA's and encourage them to support it and add their two cents?

Alabama is the only State in the south where such an ignorant law exists. The constituents of this state believe in gun rights and they love their state. These weapons are Federally legal, and currently you can have AOW's with the same features as these weapons but without shoulder stocks, so AOW's are harder to aim and fire safely. These short weapons can stay on target moving through door ways allowing owners the best protection, and intruders no advantage. This class of weapons is the best/safest choice for self defense in a structure/home and the only hazard for law enforcement and Alabamians is that our state does not allow us to own them for protection.

Fortunately, I have discovered that law enforcement can own them, but leave law enforcement (retire, quit, etc.) and I have been told you cannot own these because of the current law that this bill will help to eliminate. As a result of passing this bill these officers will more likely buy them because the possibility of having to sell them is removed, their investment in these weapons can pass to loved ones too. Their families and these officers will be protected better and safety improves. Law abiding citizens and military members will be the types that buy these weapons also, and they should have this federally legal right especially military. God Bless them.

Additionally, passing HB2 will remove impediments that would keep these type of great American's from either moving to Alabama or cause LEO's to move out when retired thus encouraging population growth. Growing communities mean large tax bases, more business, greater property values, less crime if they are armed citizens, and greater economic opportunity. It will remove an archaic law with some arbitrary restriction at a random length that sounds as foolish as it is.

Regards
 
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... As for Randy Hillman, he is not elected. I believe he is appointed or just hired by the AL District Attorneys Association. That message he sent out went to the AL Association of Chiefs of Police (AACOP).
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Yep, he is their Executive Director (AKA lobbyist) and has been for years, he is not a DA/not elected.

The President of the Association, OTOH, is a DA, changes annually, and is elected by the members.
 
Does anyone know how are this thing's chances in the senate? I remember it didn't even come up last year.
 
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