Alberto Gonzales - Pro Gun Control?

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Apparantly, as I have read on other pro-gun sites, Alberto Gonzales is pro clinton gun ban and pro gun control in general. Do your own research, then call the White House as I did. This is a slap in the face to any pro 2nd Amendment voter that helped put President Bush back in office for a second term.
 
Does this mean we remain silent?

I am aware of Bush's position. Just because he is mis-guided on the issue doesn't mean that we should remain mute on the Gonzales appointment. The more pro 2nd Amendment calls and letters, the better chance the Bush administration will pay attention. If we set on our hands, nothing is accomplished.
 
2006 congressional races

They will care when the mid-term elections come around. If Bush pisses off enough people he'll be dealing with a Democrat majority. If no one lets them know how they feel, the status quo will look good to them. We need to let them know "it's broken" so the butt heads will move to protect themselves, if nothing else. All of the reasons why it can't be fixed are meaningless.
 
For those of you who weren't paying attention, Ashcroft also supported the ban (and its renewal) during his nomination hearings in 2000. Look where that went.
 
I hope the Democrats take back either the House or Senate. Its the best way to keep Bush in check.
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Think that through a little further, please. Hillary might be president in 2008. Will they also keep her in check ?
 
For those of you who weren't paying attention, Ashcroft also supported the ban (and its renewal) during his nomination hearings in 2000. Look where that went.
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Actually, I wasn't paying attention. Thanks for that info.
 
Doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off about our "allies" insisting on paying public homage to the cause of our enemies, even if they privately do nothing to advance it. :cuss:
 
For those of you who weren't paying attention, Ashcroft also supported the ban (and its renewal) during his nomination hearings in 2000.
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Do you have a reference or quote from Ashcroft about that? Because I am not sure that is what he said, or at least how I remember it.

I recall him saying he would enforce the existing law, which as Attorney General how would be obligated to do, but I don't really recall him saying he supported the law in theory.

Ashcroft, unlike Bush, never struck me as one who would say one thing and mean another when it came to issues like the AWB.
 
I'm someone Bush hasn't screwed, though I don't know if I could "show" you myself over the internet. :neener:

Ignorance is bliss. :( Unless you have a net worth of $10 million+, and don't mind giving up your liberties, the difference between you and I is that I have had the smile knocked off my face already. When the coffee smell hits you, let me know.
 
Do you have a reference or quote from Ashcroft about that? Because I am not sure that is what he said, or at least how I remember it.
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I have several references which I posted in the last Gonzales panic thread we had. Those who missed both that conversation and the numerous similar "Sky is falling" discussions during the original Ashcroft confirmation can find those references here

Doesn't mean that I can't be pissed off about our "allies" insisting on paying public homage to the cause of our enemies, even if they privately do nothing to advance it.
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Absolutely you should be pissed off! It doesn't mean you should sit quietly and not complain to them about it either; but to come on THR and use some of the hyperbole in both this and the previous thread does little to educate or help anyone and a lot to confuse the situation.

It is no wonder that around 1/3 of gunowners thought there was no significant difference between John Kerry and George Bush on the Second Amendment and felt OK voting for Kerry if this thread is any indication of the typical reaction to everyday American politics.
 
All the more reason to send letters, e-mails and make phone calls

At this point, with him confirmed, he needs to hear the positions of those who value our 2nd Amendment rights. The cynical among us can stop reading this e-mail now.

As I stated before, setting on our hands accomplishes nothing. Just a few minutes on the phone, sending e-mails, writing to the local news papers, etc. just might help our cause. I have had luck with the local news paper here and so can you.

If we could just awaken a few more of those conservative, pro 2nd Amendment voters out there, we just might turn things around. Educate the "my vote doesn't count" types you know. Drag them to the polls if you have to. The next mid-term could make all of the difference in the world. Five more conservatives in the Senate and were on the way.
 
Thanks for the info, Bartholomew.

So are you saying it is more or less OK for Gonzalez to support the AWB since his predecessor did?

Remember when Ashcroft made the statement that the 2nd amendment was and individual right, not a collective right? Remember how everyone kept sayin how important this was because it established precedent that the 2nd was an individual right?

Why is it not important then for the AG to set a precedent by saying the AWB is crap?
 
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Anybody have a link to the transcript of what Gonzales was asked and his reply? My understanding is that his "support" of the AWB was a written response to a written question from Chuck the Scmuck Schumer.
 
LG, I meant to hit "Reply" and hit "Edit". I apologize for mucking up your post; but I think I left it mostly intact.

So are you saying it is more or less OK for Gonzalez to support the AWB since his predecessor did?
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No, I'm just pointing out that he isn't the first appointee or AG from this administration to express that opinion and despite that we have done pretty well. On the list of things that the pro-RKBA side has to worry about, I think this ranks pretty low.

Remember when Ashcroft made the statement that the 2nd amendment was and individual right, not a collective right? Remember how everyone kept sayin how important this was because it established precedent that the 2nd was an individual right?
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You mean the same John Ashcroft that supported renewal of the AWB and said he would enforce handgun registration during his confirmation hearings did something like that? ;)

Why is it not important then for the AG to set a precedent by saying the AWB is crap?
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That would be nice indeed; though unlikely to happen since the Senator you would be addressing that statement to is a great fan of the AWB and quite capable of making sure you never receive that appointment.
 
Funny if any group put GWB in office again it is us 2nd amendment supporters. Now GWB don't know us.Maybe Gonzales is related to Fox. The way GWB is selling America down the tubes he must have the hots for Fox wife. Can't believe I wasted my time to go and vote for GWB
 
I agree with the observation 2A supporters helped put W in the WH twice but W has very effectively mitigated any pressure that group or the NRA might ever bring against him.

He has thumbed his nose at both groups very effectively and not been harmed one iota.

That's what a "fear vote" for the lesser of the 2 evils gets you. I have to think W had done more to marginalize the RKBA issue than any other president I can think of, D or R. He's proven as long as the gun owning voters are scared, they will vote for a candidate and an administration that does not fully support 2A or is willing to disregard it if they think the other options is worse.

Triangulation perhaps? Marginalization of a politically scary special interest group once and for all?

For any politican, 2A supporters and the NRA have been groups to recon with. Bush fixed all that and both groups helped him do it.

If Hilly came out with even a luke-warm pro 2A statement about like she has regarding ab--tion and illegal immigration she would start to look a heck of a sight more midddle of the road, heck I'll say it, conservative, than what the R's delivered up last time, so far has this President pushed the R. Party to the left.

And still the Kool-Aid is swallowed down with a smile!

The road to recalibration of the Republican Party (on so many issues) will be a long one and the scenery won't be pretty. Not sure the average R voter has the fortitude to walk that difficult road.

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